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Synid
16-08-2005, 05:08 PM
Hello there.

Im wondering what people use for builds and for what.

I used 21/8/22 a long time for PVP/utilities.

Switched to 30/8/13 for MC Instancing now.

I know most builds are standard like the 2 above but i have seen some rather cool and even functional builds that escaped the pre-mades.

Post um! and let us know what you use it for :)

Ganya
17-08-2005, 01:23 AM
hi there,

23/5/23 here for pvp reasons :)

Meri
19-08-2005, 03:50 AM
Weird numbers and no explanations. :P

Here's mine 5/23/23

Assassination:
- Malice 5/5 (crits are nice)

Subtlety:
- Master of Deception 5/5 (Camo is IMO for impatient peple, MoD means even higher level mobs have to basically walk over you to detect)
- Opportunity 5/5 (20% damage increase to all my stabs/ambushes, kinda obligatory for a stabber build)
- Initiative 5/5 (75% chance for an extra combo point with an opener, partially a filler to get the lower talents, but it's pretty useful)
- Ghostly Strike 1/1 (A stab build is usually low on stam, prefering "of Agi" or "of Tiger" gear to "of Monkey". So when the enemy can't be gouged/stunned, high dodge is very necessary, this helps a bit, and I think 1 point talents that open new skills are good to have)
- Improved Ambush 3/3 (this and other talents and high agility give me around 70-75% critrate on Ambush. Essential since this build hates the Assassination tree and will not waste 20 points to get Cold Blood)
- Improved Sap 3/3 (I like to be useful in instances :P )
- Preparation 1/1 (Ok, we have all these "broken" skills on this class, and the most "broken" is the one that pops up all the timers. This Talent by itself almost doubles the power and utility of any given Rogue.)

Combat:
- Improved Gouge 3/3 (More time to gain energy, bandage, run, make faces at, or whatever.)
- Lightning Reflexes 5/5 (Getting hit is bad, it hurts.)
- Improved Backstab 3/3 (Another must have talent for a stabber.)
- Deflection 5/5 (Parrying is nice, especailly when...)
- Riposte 1/1 (...you have a cheap skill that does 150% weapon damage and disarms the opponent for 6 seconds. Oh and it has no cooldown. It's a win/lose in Rogue vs Rogue, the one who doesn't have it will be at great disadvantage.)
- Dagger Specialization 5/5 (If we stab, and use daggers, and like crits, we like this talent.)
- Blade Flurry 1/1 (Just like Ghostly Strike and Riposte, this is another 1 point talent that helps us survive when the enemy/enemies cannot be gouged or stunned.)

Variation. Remove Improved Gouge and Blade Flurry, Add Improved Cheap Shot and Hemorrhage.

The funny thing is, that this build is probably much closer to an "assassin" than the Assassination tree. Cold blood is nice, but it's on a longish cooldown, and only really good when used for Eviscerate. But why would you eviscerate if you can get two critical Stabs in during the time the enemy is stunned from Kidney?
And Lethality.... -_- I've seen written, or said by too many "good" rogues, that this skill adds to Eviscerate or Ambush, or whatever it is at the time, crits. No. It only adds to nonopeners and nonfinishers. Gouge, Stab, Sinister, Ghostly, Hemorrhage. The onlyone of these that crits ften enough, and does enough damage to have any noticeablr benefit from the talent is Backstab, and for increasing the critical damage of one (even often used) skill by 30% is not worth the 10 talent points that would have to be sacrificed.

Synid
19-08-2005, 12:18 PM
Valid points on the 5/23/23 but im going full MC if im doing anything cept grinding mining skill and as a stabbing rogue in MC ... seal fate is a must to get any use as a dmg output class (almost always at the top of the Damage meter list (i dont even keep track of it myself anymore :P)

I have had my days as an allrounder or utility rogue... still i just might wanna give your build a try on the test servers... thanks for the tip :)

Gaeline
07-11-2005, 10:21 PM
I use 20/31/0 to beat the shit out of anything in MC. Dunno how I do in terms of damage, but my stealing aggro despite feinting as often as possible ought to be a good indicator ;D

Might try going back to Seal Fate sometime if I get my crit rate up again. it's currently at a measly 17ish%.

takfiri
07-11-2005, 10:59 PM
31/8/12... 120 energy, gotta love it.

Used good old 21/8/22 until the 5th NS piece.

Turiel
08-11-2005, 11:44 AM
Exact same tak :)

Problem is now that BF is dropping reguarly but I dont wanna lose my 120 energy :P

Abberare
08-11-2005, 12:18 PM
21/8/22 but Tak is tempting me to the dark side of 120 energy... Just worried about losing 15% ambush crit chance.

Ailith
08-11-2005, 01:03 PM
I am 31/8/12 too, for MC reasons. Though used to be 21/8/22.

Turiel
08-11-2005, 01:15 PM
The 15% ambush crit loss doesn't really affect me tbh, I seem to crit the majority of the time with backstab+ambush anyway. My base crit is 22%.

Abberare
08-11-2005, 01:24 PM
Just went on the wow site to see how I'm going to do it, where did you put the points to make it up to 25/30? I've got 5 points in applying deadly poison (for rogues in AB mostly) and 1 in expose armour (couldn't think of anything else to put it in, never use that).

Abberare
08-11-2005, 01:29 PM
Never mind, I think I wasn't reading them properly. The only 'filler' now is 2 in remorseless attacks.

Khalam
08-11-2005, 03:17 PM
16/25/10 wins Raids with Daggers, 20/31 wins raids with swords.
Seal fate build is only good for pvp :/

takfiri
08-11-2005, 03:19 PM
My base crit is 22%.

Hmmm... AP gear?

takfiri
08-11-2005, 03:21 PM
16/25/10 wins Raids with Daggers, 20/31 wins raids with swords.
Seal fate build is only good for pvp :/

Hmmm... tell me bout that 16/25/10 please;)

Harshak
08-11-2005, 03:40 PM
16/25/10 wins Raids with Daggers, 20/31 wins raids with swords.
Seal fate build is only good for pvp :/

Hmmm... tell me bout that 16/25/10 please;)

Assa tree pretty much explains itself.
In combat its imp BS(ofc) DW spec, dagger spec(maybe skip one point in dagger spec for flurry)
Subtlety up to opportunity.
Keep up SnD while the mob is facing ur tank and just pound in that dmg..

Turiel
08-11-2005, 04:04 PM
My base crit is 22%.

Hmmm... AP gear?

Yes, 700 AP. Could be better, ned more purpels ;)

Harshak
08-11-2005, 04:11 PM
My base crit is 22%.

Hmmm... AP gear?

Yes, 700 AP. Could be better, ned more purpels ;)

24.5% crit, 810AP here, u suck tur...

takfiri
08-11-2005, 11:37 PM
Assa tree pretty much explains itself.
In combat its imp BS(ofc) DW spec, dagger spec(maybe skip one point in dagger spec for flurry)
Subtlety up to opportunity.
Keep up SnD while the mob is facing ur tank and just pound in that dmg..

Any use outside of raids?

And, 810 AP... hot damn. I'm at 756 AP, 29% crit. Don't ask about HP :)

Kabhanda
08-11-2005, 11:59 PM
I have 34 AP and 4.97% melee crit chance :)

takfiri
09-11-2005, 02:32 AM
I have 34 AP and 4.97% melee crit chance :)

/comfort

/hug

Harr
09-11-2005, 07:23 AM
I guess takfiri hasn't been facemelted for giving /comfort and /hug to Khlysti ;)

Harshak
09-11-2005, 07:38 AM
Assa tree pretty much explains itself.
In combat its imp BS(ofc) DW spec, dagger spec(maybe skip one point in dagger spec for flurry)
Subtlety up to opportunity.
Keep up SnD while the mob is facing ur tank and just pound in that dmg..

Any use outside of raids?

And, 810 AP... hot damn. I'm at 756 AP, 29% crit. Don't ask about HP :)

Nah, its not paticulary hot outside the bigger instances, and dont duel anybody with it;)

girney
22-11-2005, 05:08 PM
I had >1k Attack Power unbuffed and a critrate close to 25%.....

....when i was feral.

Turiel
22-11-2005, 05:52 PM
God damn imba druids.

Ailith
22-11-2005, 05:53 PM
I have 34 AP and 4.97% melee crit chance
And you still out dmg me :p

16/25/10 wins Raids with Daggers, 20/31 wins raids with swords.
Seal fate build is only good for pvp :/

Seal fate seems to be working great for me so far in PvE, I rarely do PvP (just haven't got around to it lately).

Not really familiar with 16/25/10 build, but the combat tree always seems so boring to me :p :)

takfiri
22-11-2005, 11:35 PM
I think seal fate/vigor build is the last generic one that's useful both in and out of raids. To increase damage output further when raiding, you then have to gimp your pvp side quite a bit.

That about right?

Khalam
23-11-2005, 12:20 AM
I think seal fate/vigor build is the last generic one that's useful both in and out of raids. To increase damage output further when raiding, you then have to gimp your pvp side quite a bit.

That about right?

Yeah. 16/25/10 is terrible for pvp unfortunetely. :/

Angellic
23-11-2005, 12:41 AM
1382 ranged ap, 29.5% ranged crit!

Abberare
23-11-2005, 02:10 AM
Ahem please keep more than 41 yeards away from the Rogue forums...
That's it, now behind the pet... don't forget to wear your mail. Better put a freeze trap down there and start flaring ;)

Angellic
23-11-2005, 03:15 AM
Ahem please keep more than 41 yeards away from the Rogue forums...
That's it, now behind the pet... don't forget to wear your mail. Better put a freeze trap down there and start flaring ;)

I'll do that, if you guys stop doing me from behind ;(

Turiel
23-11-2005, 03:57 AM
How surprising, a hunter ninjad our thread ;)

Sethanon
23-11-2005, 04:42 AM
I'll do that, if you guys stop doing me from behind ;(

you know they cant, they were born that way =]

takfiri
23-11-2005, 10:23 AM
Yup. We managed to sneak out of our mums when they were watching the other way. Only caught because distract didn't work on nurses;(

Undied
11-01-2006, 01:26 PM
I have a 34.5% with my new daggers it wusted to be 28% crit hehe i lol my crits :)

Undied
11-01-2006, 01:27 PM
o sorry wrong CHR lol

Sinar
11-01-2006, 01:45 PM
Hmmm... tell me bout that 16/25/10 please;)

Best raid dagger build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues/talents.html?3050030050000000320325000055000000005 0050000000000000

Best sword raid build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues/talents.html?3053031050000000320055010005015003100 0000000000000000

Ussual open pvp dagger build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues/talents.html?3550200050001000320300000000000000005 2055003000110000


My takes on all, feel free to comment, I use a tweaked 21/8/22 with no initiative (rapid instead)

btw try to ignore Meri's post/build its the most ridiculously retarded build Ive seen.

Khalam
11-01-2006, 06:34 PM
Best raid dagger build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues/talents.html?3050030050000000320325000055000000005 0050000000000000


You missed blade flurry. The thingy really, really rocks in raids.


Ussual open pvp dagger build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues/talents.html?3550200050001000320300000000000000005 2055003000110000


http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues/talents.html?3553101050011051320300000000000000005 0050002000000000

This is my build. IMO its the pvp build, prep is nowhere near the sick burst Seal Fate daggers (esp with Vigor and the NS bonus) has.

Edit: That build combined with:
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51754 and http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51987 is a real killer.
Still waiting for the second trinket, though. :`(

Wersia
12-01-2006, 11:44 AM
I got 31/7/13 atm and love the crit chance and damage with Ambush and Backstab. Also love the Seal Fate. One thing I miss tho is the 10 energy from NS. With that it really has to pwn :)

Sinar
20-01-2006, 12:08 PM
You missed blade flurry. The thingy really, really rocks in raids.
I didnt miss, I just consider it redundant in raiding and too circumstancial. having imp SnD buys you an almost continual blade flurry effect without having to worry who the flurry is hitting, imo.

Harshak
20-01-2006, 01:20 PM
You missed blade flurry. The thingy really, really rocks in raids.
I didnt miss, I just consider it redundant in raiding and too circumstancial. having imp SnD buys you an almost continual blade flurry effect without having to worry who the flurry is hitting, imo.

You dont need 3/3 imp snd to keep it up all the time though. 2/3 is usually more than enough.

Shead
27-01-2006, 07:55 AM
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3352200050001000320300000000000000005 0055003003100000

my build.

Abberare
27-01-2006, 01:34 PM
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3352200050001000320300000000000000005 0055003003100000

my build.

The classic :D

Shead
27-01-2006, 04:51 PM
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3352200050001000320300000000000000005 0055003003100000

my build.

The classic :D

muuuu!!!! dont classify my build!

takfiri
28-01-2006, 12:46 AM
I got 31/7/13 atm and love the crit chance and damage with Ambush and Backstab. Also love the Seal Fate. One thing I miss tho is the 10 energy from NS. With that it really has to pwn :)

... 7?

Khalam
28-01-2006, 01:32 PM
Blade flurry is incredible for DPS. I've seen Segoras's damage during nefarian's first stage when he popped flurry :P