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Ring0
17-07-2010, 04:39 PM
- GDKP channel: /join GDKP -

Myrgthre doing the lists so send all the "pick me!" mails to her :)

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Faction: Alliance
Invites: 13:45 server time.
Start: 14:00
End: ~18:30 or when we run out of bosses to kill.
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What is a GDKP / Gold Run ?
http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t77416-g...d_your_server/
Can't be bothered looking? Bid for drops with gold, then the gold gets split between everyone at the end.

How much do I need to bring?
It depends on what your aims are. Are you joining with a low geared alt to buy lots of items? Then bring lots of gold! Are you a well geared main who wants to EARN lots of gold? Then don't bring any .

How much do items cost?
Minimum bid for ICC boss items: 1000g
Minimum bid for BoE epix: 3000g
Minimum bid for tokens: 3000g
Minimum bid for weapons: 3000g

What gear level do I need?
There's basically three type of people who will be coming to the raid:
Those coming to earn gold by carrying everyone else. You need i64+ (t10) level gear.
Those who want some specific items, but are decently geared. You need i251 level gear.
Those who have lots of gold and want to buy lots of stuff. No gear requirement.

Okay, how do I signup!
Just reply to this post with the following details:

Character Name: <name>
Class & Role: <class> <role>
Avg level gear: <ilvl(X) / t(X)>
Gold willing to spend: <amount>

Saturday List:

Tronk
Caja
Midassi


Envidia
Drueclair
Lillshaman

Floreena
Nasuarda
Xirasis


Ringstar
Nedirehs
Entaría
Íloveu
Starduck
Nillup
Sinistera
Okamii
Alliss
Myrgthe
Rivy
Unlocked
Feihcretsam
Moonglow
Irydius
Alliss



Sunday List:

Furiat
Naethryn
Kiyomi


Torm
Sibley
Naruun
Slumber
Ellife
Åsna


Sheriden
Ibatsbaari
Infenity
Facecrusher
Beton
Hotdruid
Angéllíc
Sneakykillah
Mirall
Sageclaire
Sruk
Lesie
Wierdbeard
Oronack
Eternity
Oriön

Sheriden
17-07-2010, 04:42 PM
Character Name: Sheriden
Class & Role: Paladin Retribution
Avg level gear: 264
Gold willing to spend: 25K


Character Name: Sheridan
Class & Role: Warrior Fury
Avg level gear: 245
Gold willing to spend: 25K


Character Name: Nedirehs
Class & Role: Shaman Enhancement
Avg level gear: 264
Gold willing to spend: 25K

Saturday and Sunday.

Koreon
17-07-2010, 04:44 PM
Character Name: Envidia
Class & Role: Shaman Healer
Avg level gear: 251/264 / t10
Gold willing to spend: 10-20k

censtari
17-07-2010, 04:48 PM
Saturday
Character Name: Censtarí
Class : Hunter
Avg level gear: 251- 264
Gold willing to spend: 25k

Sunday
Character Name: Emochick
Class &and; Role: Retso/ele shaman
Avg level gear: 264-277
Gold willing to spend: 25k

either day i perfer to come on this on 1 of the days please<3
Character Name: Entaría
Class &and; Role: frost dps/ bloodtank
Avg level gear: 232-264
Gold willing to spend: 35k

Xirasis
17-07-2010, 04:50 PM
Saturday only.

Character Name: Jazlyn
Class & Role: Shaman Ranged-DPS
Avg level gear: 251
Gold willing to spend: 30k+

Character Name: Naydia
Class & Role: Warlock Ranged-DPS
Avg level gear: 260
Gold willing to spend: 30k+ (Only after specifics at the moment)

Character Name: Xirasis, Kingslayer
Class & Role: Paladin Healer (Offtank Gear is around 256)
Avg level gear: 268
Gold willing to spend: 30k+ (Only after specifics at the moment)

inacup
17-07-2010, 04:58 PM
Amnah
Tank / Frost DPS
262 / 251
Not alot, around 10k

Slumber
Resto / Moonkin
267 / 264
Not alot, around 10k

Unlocked
Demo / Affliction
255
alot, 30k+

Either day is good. Pref both.

Ryosei
17-07-2010, 05:04 PM
Maoki
MM hunter
avgilevel : 249

Sibley
Disc/holy priest
avgilevel : 255

Caja
Feral tank/dps
avgilevel : 260

Enough gold to spend.
Pick whatever toon is needed for setup, i wish to join on both days.

sageclaire
17-07-2010, 05:04 PM
Saturday : SageClaire - Firemage DPS - Trinket shopping : 20-30K
Sunday : DruEclair - Feral tank or Resto Tree - Tank shopping : 20K

Naruun
17-07-2010, 05:07 PM
Character Name: Naruun
Class & Role: Restro Shaman
Avg level gear: 264
Gold willing to spend: up to 40k

Feihcretsam
17-07-2010, 05:08 PM
Saturday:

Feihcretsam
Warlock
40k


Phixion
Druid
20k

Sunday:

Sruk
Warlock
10k

or

Chinjirusu
Hunter
10k

+

IbatsbaarI
Fury Warrior
30k

Kregsteri
17-07-2010, 05:11 PM
Character Name: Kiyomi
Class & Role: Prot/holy loladin
Avg level gear: 260/232

Or

Character Name: Imonia(25 man KS)
Class & Role: Prot/fury warr
Avg level gear: 262/252

Got some 30k to spend, can attend both days.
Also signing my shammy if you need a healer.

Character Name: Kregsteri(25 man KS)
Class & Role: Resto/enha sham
Avg level gear: 268/264

thingemejig
17-07-2010, 05:49 PM
Character Name: cchelios
Class & Role: blood dk dps
Avg level gear: 260

or

thingemejig
holy/shadowpriest
264/254


cash willing to spend 20k ish

only for satuarday this week,
prefere dk but as always i can come on either:)
on 5/50 crystals farming so help me get my legendary weapon><

Denguis
17-07-2010, 05:54 PM
Saturday
Character Name: íloveu
Class & Role: Retri. Paladin
Avg level gear: 261
Gold willing to spend: 25k+

Torm
17-07-2010, 06:20 PM
SATURDAY :

Character Name: Torm
Class & Role: Paladin - DPS / Healing (Would prefer a dps spot to test of all the gear I spent gold on :P)
Avg level gear: 256 DPS - 240 Healing
Gold willing to spend: 40K

Chrysops
17-07-2010, 07:04 PM
Nillup 25man Kingslayer
unholy DK
~268ilvl
15-20k gold

Saturday only as i working on sunday

Sinistera
17-07-2010, 08:11 PM
Sinistera
Unholy DK
25m Kingslayer
269 ilevel on average

20-25k for selected hm pieces

saturday

mirall
17-07-2010, 11:48 PM
Mirall
mage
264 mostly
24k gold to spend

Raulqionones
18-07-2010, 12:13 AM
.

Aska
18-07-2010, 12:54 AM
Okamii as usual for Saturday
Rogue, gear: 266+
Plenty of gold.

Invoked for Sunday
Demo/affli lock, 254~ gear
Gold aplenty.

Naethryn for Sunday
DK tank/dps, 260 / 252 gear.
Plenty of gold

kissofdeathx
18-07-2010, 01:32 AM
Character Name: Ðévil (http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/character/eu/shadowsong/%C3%90%C3%A9vil)
Class & Role: mage
Avg level gear: 245
Gold willing to spend: 50k


can Attend both days

rodders619
18-07-2010, 01:39 AM
class : Moonglow (moonkin)
gear level 245-264 GS : 5.7
willing to spend 30k

class : deathmin (blood dps)
gear level 264 GS : 5.8
willing to spend 10k

can come both days

Facecrusher
18-07-2010, 08:08 AM
Facecrusher
Retribution Paladin
Avg gear 251/264
Gold willing to spend 20k

Skulcrusher
Frost DK tank
avg gear 251/264
Gold willing to spend 20k

Can attend both days

Starduck
18-07-2010, 08:18 AM
Character Name: Starduck
Class & Role: Rouge Mutilate dps
Avg level gear: 251-264
Gold willing to spend: 10k+

Prefer Saturday but Sunday ok also

Restor
18-07-2010, 10:00 AM
Character Name: Beton
Class & Role: Fury Warrior
Avg level gear: 264+
Gold willing to spend: 20k

keldron
18-07-2010, 10:03 AM
Character Name: Shablulit
Class & Role: Warrior Tank
Avg level gear: 265
Gold willing to spend: 17K+

Character Name: Baltron
Class & Role: DK Tank
Avg level gear: 260
Gold willing to spend: 10K+

Myrgthe
18-07-2010, 10:51 AM
Ha! I thought it was a secret :D I'm coming in some way, shape, form. See you all on the weekend ;-)

Myrgthe
Åsna
Hotchilinuts
Myr
Toricia

wuffles
18-07-2010, 11:10 AM
Character Name: Goldenhair
Class and Role: Paladin DPS
Average ilvl: 264

Character Name: Floreena
Class and Role: Priest Healer
Average ilvl: 250

Character Name: Wierdbeard
Class and Role: Hunter DPS
Average ilvl: 247

Available both days. Gold willing to spend 30k between the chars.

Oronack
18-07-2010, 01:01 PM
Character Name: Oronack
Class & Role: Shadow
Avg level gear: 264
Gold willing to spend: 15k

Highlo
18-07-2010, 01:36 PM
Character Name: Highlo
Class & Role: Melee shaman dps
Avg level gear: 251/264
Gold willing to spend: 10 k g.

Only sunday because of in real life stuff.

Nasuarda
18-07-2010, 01:53 PM
Character Name: Nasuarda (Kingslayer)
Class & Role: Priest dps/heal
Avg. level gear: 265 (dps) – 260 (heal)
Gold willing to spend: 25k+

Character Name: Gannol
Class & Role: Paladin tank/dps
Avg. level gear: 262 (tank) – 250 (dps)
Gold willing to spend: 25k+

Character Name: Deathslinger
Class & Role: Death Knight Frost dps
Avg. level gear: 257
Gold willing to spend: 15k
I am only able to play on saturday. Signing for evening run too.

Eternity
18-07-2010, 04:39 PM
Eternity
Affli/Demo Warlock
Average ilvl: 261
25k+ gold

Both days are ok

concussion
18-07-2010, 05:31 PM
Character Name: Shimshon
Class & Role: Shaman Healer
Avg level gear: 260
Gold willing to spend: 12K

Character Name: Concussion
Class & Role: Rogue DPS
Avg level gear: 250
Gold willing to spend: 12K

i can only on sunday

Avalith
18-07-2010, 07:20 PM
Ezreal
Resto shammy
250+ ilvl
20k

Månastorm
Arcane mage
255+ ilvl
10-15k


can go both days on both toons

sneakydeaky
18-07-2010, 07:35 PM
sneakykillah
rogue
264
45k to spend

sneakydeaky
deathknight frost dps
264
45k to spend

sneakyshaman
enh/elemental dps
253enh,245elemental
45k to spend

both days

Filoss
18-07-2010, 09:04 PM
4 pages already lol!

here we go

Saturday
Character Name: Evanis
Class : Shadow Priest
Avg level gear: 255~
Gold willing to spend: 25k

Sunday
Character Name: Midassi
Class &and; Role: Prot Warrior
Avg level gear: 264
Gold willing to spend: 25k

Or the other way around Mid saturday evanis Sunday

Hotdruid
18-07-2010, 10:20 PM
Hotdruid - feral dps
avg. item lvl: 265
20k to spend if sumthin interesting drops.

Rykon - Holy pally.
avg. item lvl: 250 or sumthin
same amount.

Radhiamin
18-07-2010, 11:24 PM
My Dk For Sat Plz

Character Name: Radhiamin
Class & Role: DeathKnight Blood Dps
Avg level gear: Mainly-264
Gold willing to spend: 30k:)

Sunday PLz On My Shaman
Character Name: Tikka
Class & Role: Enhancement Shaman
Avg level gear: 251-264
Gold willing to spend 30k [:

If You cant fit me in that imba sat afternoon raid plz try get me in Sat Evening plz
My m8 Tronks and Awayforme told me about this it looks so fun I need gear and i need to spend some of that money i got :cool:

Stocker
19-07-2010, 09:15 AM
Stocker
Fayuun
Rivy

Clínt
19-07-2010, 09:56 AM
Sunday pref or Saturday evening

Character Name: Clínt
Class & Role: Fury Warrior (Tank spec if required OT with 264 gear)
Avg level gear: 261
Gold willing to spend: 25K

Healer as secondary choice if you're short on one of these raids. Wouldn't spend much on it but can fill a spot if needed.
Character Name: Ellife
Class & Role: Disc/Holy Priest
Avg level gear: 251
Gold willing to spend: 10K

Nagarjun
19-07-2010, 12:28 PM
Oriön
Hunter
avg item lvl 262
Gold to spend 30K

Tronk
dk tank/dps
avg item lvl 264 tank, 258 dps
gold to spend 20k

Sakin
rogue
avg item lvl 264
gold to spend 25k


Shammini
Resto shaman
avg item lvl 266
gold willing to spend - 20K+


P.S: Can u please give Tronk a run on sat (need sindy kill for last part of
shadowmourne quest)

neofix
19-07-2010, 01:10 PM
Character Name: Irkalaw
Class & Role: Holy Paladin
Avg level gear: Ilvl 251/264
Gold willing to spend: 30k

Character Name: Infenity
Class & Role: Unholy Dps
Avg level gear: Ilvl 251
Gold willing to spend: 30k

Can do both days

Hellstorm
19-07-2010, 02:29 PM
Character name: Hellstorm
Class & Role: Mage (dps)
Avg level gear: 264
Gold willing to spend: 30k 1 item

Vldvittran
19-07-2010, 03:06 PM
Character Name: Loppy
Class & Role: druid resto
Avg level gear: 262
Gold willing to spend: 40k if the right things drop, missing staff, neck and some (this is the one that really really needs the trinket that dropped on sunday's event)

Character Name: Sorg
Class & Role: mage fire
Avg level gear: 250
Gold willing to spend: 40k, missing most of the things and not really sure what i want

Character Name: Varsam
Class & Role: priest disc
Avg level gear: 245
Gold willing to spend: 60k need mostly everything (have some 264 but only feet BiS)

10 man KS on Loppy

Ogryn
19-07-2010, 05:15 PM
Saturday

Character Name: Ogryn
Class & Role: Mage - Ranged DPS
Avg level gear: ilvl 264 - 271
Gold willing to spend: 110k

Leafroy
20-07-2010, 09:55 AM
Magicshroom (priority char please)
Mage
10k

Specimenone
Hunter
10k

Leafroy
Feral TANK (back again hehe minus some items i stupidly vended)
10k

Combokid (25 ks) Saturday only if needed..
Rogue
5k

Both days if possible please as wasnt in last weeks due to rotation and family(ggrrr).

Snóòze
20-07-2010, 12:30 PM
Char name: Angéllíc
Class/spec: Rogue/mutilate
Gold willing to spend: ~25k on 1 specific item
Avg gear lvl 277

Lillshaman
21-07-2010, 05:31 AM
Character Name: Lillshaman
Class & Role: Resto/ele shaman
Avg level gear: 264
Gold willing to spend: 15k, spent 40k last week.


Character Name: Lilldruid
Class & Role: Resto/Moonkin druid
Avg level gear: 262
Gold willing to spend: 15k , as stated, spent 40k last week.


Pref Saturday, avilable on both chars, both days.

Vegelus
21-07-2010, 07:16 AM
Furiat
Protection Dwarf (fury offspec)
Avg lvl gear: around 260
Goldz: 30k

ggeorgiou
21-07-2010, 07:38 AM
Sunday ONLY please.

Libintiaa - Restoration Shaman (264+)

or

Lesie - Moonkin Druid (264+)

20k+ to spend on items

lorlad
21-07-2010, 07:33 PM
Character name: Lorlad
Class & Role: Mage (Fire)
Avg level gear: 265
Gold willing to spend: 20k if the right stuff drops

either day
Kingslayer blah blah

Birkler
21-07-2010, 07:44 PM
Character Name: Nalfarion
Class & Role: MM Hunter
Avg level gear: 260,6avg
Gold willing to spend: 10-15k

Am only able to attend on Saturday this week..

mirall
22-07-2010, 03:50 AM
Mirall
mage
264 exept a few 251 (5980gs)
17k gold to spend

Torrhen
22-07-2010, 09:40 AM
Something came up in the afternoon, not going to be able to make it anymore sorry.

Kernifil
22-07-2010, 10:27 AM
Character Name: Kernifil (Kingslayer)
Class & Role: Holy Paladin
Avg level gear: 264ish
Gold willing to spend: 20k+

Vegelus
22-07-2010, 05:04 PM
Won't make it, qq.

Saturday evening or Sunday please.

achille
22-07-2010, 06:55 PM
rhadamanthys
Warlock
260
30+k
Saturday

Amarylis
22-07-2010, 11:28 PM
Thunderwytch
resto shaman
264
gold-20k+ only need specific items

Antygona
holy paladin
264
gold 20k-

Irydius
arcane mage
251-264
gold 40k+ need few items-and DFO main desire

available both days

Arghnes
23-07-2010, 07:51 AM
turgidson, enhancement
ilvl 261
30k+ gold

or my bro:
ielle, moonkin
ilvl 261
25k gold

only availabile on saturday

Ghosty
23-07-2010, 08:31 AM
Character Name: Ghostyy
Class & Role: Paladin Holy
Avg level gear: ~245-251
Gold willing to spend: 15k

Either day would be fine.

SalcN
23-07-2010, 10:28 AM
Can only come @ Saturday (Dont care on which char) :

Character Name: Randominator
Class & Role: Hunter - MM
Avg level gear: 251.7
Gold willing to spend: 15k
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Character Name: Calcn
Class & Role: Druid - Resto / Moonkin
Avg level gear: 253.8 / 247.9
Gold willing to spend: 15k

Magwitch
23-07-2010, 01:49 PM
Alliss

Fire/Arcane mage
Gear level mostly 264
42k to spend on trinket/ heroic token drops

Sat first run only.

Myrgthe
23-07-2010, 05:25 PM
First draft of the list is done but then I got called out on a RL situation and now it's time for Ruby Sanctum :) I'll be in game as some alt (Toricia?) and the list should be out soon. For those of you who are really chomping on the bit, I usually mail it to Ringstar first so just know that the process is underway and if you have have any questions or extra comments, poke me in game :)

hirri
23-07-2010, 07:20 PM
Character Name: Manioora
Class & Role: fury warrior
Avg level gear: 251-264
Gold willing to spend: 30-40k

any day, any time

Avalith
23-07-2010, 09:43 PM
give list faster plz

Angryhamster
24-07-2010, 12:46 AM
Character Name: Angryhamster
Class & Role: retardin
Avg level gear: 250
Gold willing to spend: 16-20K

Ring0
24-07-2010, 01:03 AM
Edited Myrg's list onto first post

Starduck
24-07-2010, 06:52 AM
I cant make it (unplanned things) please delte me (Starduck)
sorry

ggeorgiou
24-07-2010, 07:50 AM
Guys I am terribly sorry about this. I can't come on Sunday got IRL shit to do.

Please remove LESIE, from Sunday.

lorlad
24-07-2010, 08:40 AM
I will be around both days ringstar, either on defier or lorlad so give me a whisper and i can fill in any spots

Torm
24-07-2010, 08:41 AM
Hello guys, thanks for putting me on sundays list.

Unfortunatly I am only able to join saturdays raid since I'm doing stuff on sunday :( If I could be switched around it would be grand, otherwise I suppose I can hope for a spot next week.

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 08:49 AM
Only looking for Mygthe to respond to this please or Ringo..

Well even though i wasnt in either run last week (Sunday i had to get me replaced i know due to RL , in advance.)

This week.. ... wait for it.....

Leafroy not in run.. either of them.. (but as we been saying all week no shock, many of us discussed it would happen) I even deliberately listed all my chars and kept them available. tank, dps melee, caster, Kingslayer 25 , ranged..

The amount of people we have signing up and over 2 runs there is no need for Anyone either skilled or gearing to miss more than 1 run. Your rotation is way off the mark and may i haisten to say a tad(slightly) biased..

Im aware you need some 'balance' to make the runs hit the performance level.. Combining the skilled/experienced players (ks plus etc and regular experienced in these runs) The above still applys easilly.

I do not hesitate to think for a second this was any of the above.. Fairness is all im looking for! (same applies if it was someone else in my position)

Nasuarda
24-07-2010, 09:19 AM
Maybe you would get a spot if you were willing to spend some more gold :-)

Myrgthe
24-07-2010, 09:35 AM
Thank you for your comments. Since I did the list this week, I will take the liberty of answering this post.

1) The reality of sitouts. As things stand, Ringstar's original post has 70 replies. Several of these messages contain more than one player signing up (not alts, but friends signing for friends).

Here is the math:
Raid=25 players
2 raids=50 players
70 posts=more than 50 players
More players than raid spots=sit outs

I'm not sure how your mathemetics worked out that no one need miss more than one run. It simply is not true.

2) Balancing the list. The first time I put together the list I was shocked. I haven't even told Ringstar how long it took me (over 2 hours) because I'm embarassed to have spent so much time doing an volunteer administrative task. I am a bit more efficient now, but it is still a colossal task.

This is what I try to keep in mind (in no particular order):
a- a kingslayer per run
b- a balanced tank team (ideally 3 different classes)
c- a balanced healing team (one of each class, no more than 2 of any; never more than one disc priest; 2-3 MT healers and 3-4 raid healers)
d- general balance (probably obvious, but still - no more than 4 players per class irregardless of role, 1-2 or each class in the raid, 8 melee and 8 ranged)
e- skilled players (gear score does NOT tell the whole picture. yes, we can carry a few lesser geared players to allot them loot and get their gold, but the goal is moving steadily to clearing the instance and for that you need a solid team)
f- missing items (some items are going to be popular, where possible at least 2 people looking for the same items should be in a raid)
g- gold willing to spend
h- first come first served (VERY VERY VERY low priority, but you get a hair higher chance for signing early... the early bird gets the worm, etc. etc.)
i- a fun team (this is a game, if the raid is nothing but a chore, I think some process has failed)

All of the above factors are considered while trying to fit 60+ people into 50 slots. Notice I didn't say anything about fairness. It's not that I ignore it completely, but there are enough other factors to juggle around.

3) The real question - Is the reason Leafroy was ommitted from this week's list intentional?

Yes.
I have several motivating factors. Since participating in the gdkp runs I have personally witnessed the following (many more than once):
*Leafroy no-show to a raid with no warning.
*Leafroy canceling a raid with very little warning.
*Leafroy unable to carry out the assigned role because of a gear/talent swap.
*Leafroy undermining raid leadership during a raid to delay and/or confuse the smooth running of a raid.
*Leafroy causing additional stress and time monopolisation of leaders by asking for more attention.
*Leafroy whining/moaning about some great injustice of life.

I personally don't consider this a permanent ban, nor do I proclaim to have the power to make such a statement, but I believe all factors considered. The decision was in-fact fair.

More simple math - 15 or so unhappy raiders. One mail.

/Myrgthe
P.s. I just received a cancelation from a raider. I will consult with Ringstar before filling it. D.s.

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 09:49 AM
i meant 1 weekend i do stand corrected on that sorry.. thats 2 runs><

stupid writing a post in hyper speed..

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 10:13 AM
Quoting myrgthe..

I have several motivating factors. Since participating in the gdkp runs I have personally witnessed the following (many more than once):
*Leafroy no-show to a raid with no warning.
*Leafroy canceling a raid with very little warning.
*Leafroy unable to carry out the assigned role because of a gear/talent swap.
*Leafroy undermining raid leadership during a raid to delay and/or confuse the smooth running of a raid.
*Leafroy causing additional stress and time monopolisation of leaders by asking for more attention.
*Leafroy whining/moaning about some great injustice of life.

I personally don't consider this a permanent ban, nor do I proclaim to have the power to make such a statement, but I believe all factors considered. The decision was in-fact fair.

.. nice to know where you got any ideas like this from..

*Leafroy no-show to a raid with no warning. .. Never ever no showed, i told feih last week in advance of run i needed to be replaced..Pointed out the replacement too..

*Leafroy canceling a raid with very little warning. Since when i have RUN a raid to cancel it? or are you just throwing that in for fun?

*Leafroy undermining raid leadership during a raid to delay and/or confuse the smooth running of a raid. Ahh you mean i actually communicate and try help those via communication.. god so help me. I suppose when the silence is there for ages standing around i should shush, or if i see something that hasnt been called (Blazing skeleton for example) i should shut up and wipe.. I knew this was a issue for you Myrgthe as the comments have been made on the sly as always from Same few quercus members. Same few that havebeen noted by many raiders here and in game in general. But for a Small part this is almost correct , yes i do try to talk. Sorry for actually buying a Mic and trying to contribute..

*Leafroy causing additional stress and time monopolisation of leaders by asking for more attention. Oversights happen, if no-one points them out , they remain an oversight. Like when i was rotated 7 weeks on trot.. If somethign i dont feel is right, i post about itgenerally Pm's. Again your just leading mate and you are human, wouldnt you rather pointed out mistakes they beleived you made/or are possibly making..? the you can correct or explain. Humans hey Pftt..

*Leafroy whining/moaning about some great injustice of life. Ermm actually my life is pretty fair, got a loving wife and child i wouldnt replace with anything (including wow) and due to other RL circumstances, time a plenty to share with family, game and bussiness colleague's.. if you refer to gamelife Myrgthe , if you dont want people approaching the leader with queries about what you are leading.. Dont lead, its kinda in the job description.

*Leafroy unable to carry out the assigned role because of a gear/talent swap. Doing well so far.. The talent swap ( only 1 i ever done while in gdkp) was Leafroy from Feral Tank (regemmed full arp) to Kitty.. but ofc.. I queued as feral DPS! i then also pointed it out in the posts.. Currently changed him at alot of gold cost back to tankign as its more usefull for everyone, this change was made in mind of gdkp. The guys on /gdkp channel can confirm that as it was discussed openly. Again communication><

As i say.. if people communicate then you would see the true story from behind these thing you are percieving about me.. this is one of the downsides of being pressed for time all the time. i do understand myr you too have a Real life to juggle with this GDKP and a 10 man guild to juggle with that too and them in the gdkp runs too ofc..

This may have not given you the sifficient time to speak to eople about all these things you are presuming, and perhaps maybe possibly you might know the truths behind what your seeing. using last weeks in advance warning as soon as i knew i couldnt do sunday, the RL knew. I also made sure to check list for the replacement so feih knew.... as example.

This post is made purely to point out the obviouslness of how IMPORTANT communication is.. I do thank Myrgthe for responding and putting the time and effort in to saying what was on her mind. If she had not.. Then i wouldnt have known these things werent explained to her. You may notice my signature.. never has it been more correct than today!

Thank you guys and sorry if this is adding DRAMA to sse gdkp, this i would expect to be the same if it was ANY of you in this same position. I too would support you as the many who have supported me lately and this week especially, thank you all for the whispers. once again thank you for the response myr.

((pps please ignore typo's not enough time to correct them all))

Myrgthe
24-07-2010, 10:31 AM
*Leafroy no-show to a raid with no warning.
It did indeed happen the very first week I joined gdkp. Unfortunately I do not have an exact date but I believe it might have been the weekend of May 8 or 15 by my appointment calendar.

*Leafroy canceling a raid with very little warning.
Obviously, I miswrote this. I mean that you gave very little warning to canceling your own attendance.


The "issue" about Blazing skeletons is actually not an issue. I don't even remember what you are refering to. I was speaking on far more general terms.

I'll skip a few.. too silly to dignify a comment...

Dont lead, its kinda in the job description.
Job implies compensation. What compensation do you think anyone gets for leading in WoW?

I don't want to get into a forum battle. I have read your post. As to a "future relationship" I harbor no hard feelings, but I would prefer not to take up any of my own time on this issue.

A comment to anyone interested. Flexible signups can help get you a spot. But no one is guaranteed anything. And admittedly I haven't had many, but I have eaten a sitout or two myself...

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 10:50 AM
Me too Myr in fact you will be very shocked to know i actually respect alot of what you do.. This may sound very ''offtrack'' but what you do is almost impossible to please everyone and as a former raid leader/Gm for 4 years you know i understand this as much as most.

I just wanted it cleared that it is not personal and that i am a positive thing in GDKp not a negative thing. once again i thank you for takign time to respond and i hope i have put your fears/concerns to rest.. lets move forward in a clear balanced way.

Sorry i ever caused you offence.

leafroy.. (i would happily pay if anyone can remove that stupid Immersion tag next to my name, cant find option anywhere)

Clínt
24-07-2010, 10:54 AM
Apologies for a slight change of topic but thought I might as well jump in while there's some activity here. Just wondering if the list for this evenings run is done? Apologies if I've missed it, Haven't done a GDKP for a month or so so not sure how the evenings run works

Cheers

Stocker
24-07-2010, 10:59 AM
It's in the other thread: http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/forum/showpost.php?p=221032&postcount=1
You're in.

Vegelus
24-07-2010, 11:02 AM
leafroy.. (i would happily pay if anyone can remove that stupid Immersion tag next to my name, cant find option anywhere)
Poke Turiel.

achille
24-07-2010, 11:02 AM
This is rubbish, I signed to 4 gdkp runs, been taken to the first of the four, in which I:
- was perfectly on time
- raped everyone on the meter even having 300 less gear score than most others
- bid 20k on hc dislodged, still spent 15k on i264 tokens + 3k on i264 back, which was more than what most ppl spent that run

I'm out of this shit

Xirasis
24-07-2010, 11:08 AM
This is rubbish, I signed to 4 gdkp runs, been taken to the first of the four, in which I:
- was perfectly on time
- raped everyone on the meter even having 300 less gear score than most others
- bid 20k on hc dislodged, still spent 15k on i264 tokens + 3k on i264 back, which was more than what most ppl spent that run

I'm out of this shit

Raid=25 players
2 raids=50 players
70 posts=more than 50 players
More players than raid spots=sit outsThink this sums it up, Spending gold doesn't reserve you a spot

achille
24-07-2010, 11:11 AM
So what does? Being rl friends with someone? Being the highest dpser of the raid, being on time, doing stuff right, following orders, spending gold, and you bench me 3 times in a row against the same people that are always brought? What kind of rotation is that

Xirasis
24-07-2010, 11:14 AM
So what does? Being rl friends with someone? Being the highest dpser of the raid, being on time, doing stuff right, following orders, spending gold, and you bench me 3 times in a row against the same people that are always brought? What kind of rotation is that

think you should scroll back a few pages and read a long post.

achille
24-07-2010, 11:19 AM
think you should scroll back a few pages and read a long post.

Care to enlighten me? I see none that applies here, just stuff about being late, not carrying out assigned tasks and undermining leadership during raids.

thingemejig
24-07-2010, 11:36 AM
achilles u didnt get picked.... shit happens i'm a guildy and a friend of the person who makes the raids it happenes i didnt got to raid 4 times in a row too like it has been said try to fit 70+ people in 50 spots with a good gear/class/spec balance its an insane job, just get online on time and maby someone doesnt show up and u can joni instead and sign up for next week, or dont ur choice

achille
24-07-2010, 11:38 AM
No I won't, I did it the past 3 times, you can ask fei (which for some obscure reason was never benched for me). 4th time sit out for really no good reason whatsoever when the same people are taken every single time is way behond reasonable,

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 11:48 AM
No I won't, I did it the past 3 times, you can ask fei (which for some obscure reason was never benched for me). 4th time sit out for really no good reason whatsoever when the same people are taken every single time is way behond reasonable,

There are some ''never benched players'' admitedly which is very wrong... even the ones that do spend money.

BUT... they are trying to maintain the best players for the raid , people with 7/12 - 12/12 heroic mode 25 man experience as well as geared raiders..

We do hardmodes on this gdkp mate some times you have to sit out if you dont have imba experience enough to carry those gearing/spending..

In general the gdkp run is made up by some top guilds alts..

Alternate reality, Raid to nowhere,Big in japan, and quercus very prominent i every run too ofc.. these are guild/s with the hardmode experience to carry others mate.

And my own personal gripes aside the people in these raids are ALL nice good skilled and generally approachable people. (not to mention tolerant when the wipes occurr on rare occasions)

If you approach the leader im sure she will explain if she has overlooked you by mistake.

achille
24-07-2010, 11:53 AM
I understand your point, but you are ignoring the fact that the one time I came I topped the damage meter on 90% of the bosses (the ones I ever did before that raid) and only was like second to feic to the others, having 300 gs less than him. Recounts DMG/GS tab I truly put everyone to shame. So it is hardly about performance.

I wouldn't have a problem to be benched, but once, twice in a row tops, more times in a row when the same people are never benched and do inferior damage is retarded, no guild would ever tolerate that.

Don't mention other guilds to me please, I was in Coi doing sf way before the people in these raids even played.

achille
24-07-2010, 11:57 AM
lmao, that's like trying to argue over getting priority to a concert or something
"Excuse me i've been the past 4 years, why can't i come this time"
Simple, not enough space.

That's the most retarded comment you could do. I guess that if you find it normal to bench the best players that your raid could bring every single time (your concept of the word "rotation" therefore amazes me), it must be how things are done in raid to nowhere...

Xirasis
24-07-2010, 12:03 PM
having 300 gs less than him
Gearscore means shit.

Vegelus
24-07-2010, 12:36 PM
This is rubbish, I signed to 4 gdkp runs, been taken to the first of the four, in which I:
- was perfectly on time
- raped everyone on the meter even having 300 less gear score than most others
- bid 20k on hc dislodged, still spent 15k on i264 tokens + 3k on i264 back, which was more than what most ppl spent that run

I'm out of this shit
So were other good and manbidding players (healers this time). Now Rings misses them from what I've heard, because they simply stopped signing, thinking they're no longer needed/wanted (oh hai Ring) :>.
There is no reason to brag about it here, just poke Ring/Myr ingame I think.

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 12:48 PM
Admittedly i do see your point.. In certain respects only!

Those lets say as an example ONLY who get regular attendance to all three gdkp on 1 or 2 chars..

3 gdkp runs every week = (again im purely averaging) 19-21k gold
22-27 emblems per run x3 66-81 thats 3 primoridals or more once dailys done etc.. that is indeed very roughly 20-24k gold for just doing what you generally enjoy doing ofc..

This kind of spending power is hard to keep up with even more so lately as people leave game till cata or reduce spending saving for cataclysm ( i know alot are dong that).. i know i cant farm that much anymore in 1 week, issue is should we have to? maybe for another time that one to be discussed.

But as previously stated it is a juggling act.. Yes the new guys really couldnt outbid a regular attender unless you too are new having farmed for months before hearing of gdkp. or have chinese mates:P

But at same time if you dont have the regular core then perhaps the runs wouldnt be as successfull 30% debuff or not.. personally i believe we have plenty of geared/skilled player to rotate everyone. Which would in turn stop the ''core can buy what they want'' issue too.. Which i believe your referring to Achille.

as to...

I understand your point, but you are ignoring the fact that the one time I came I topped the damage meter on 90% of the bosses (the ones I ever did before that raid) and only was like second to feic to the others, having 300 gs less than him. Recounts DMG/GS tab I truly put everyone to shame. So it is hardly about performance. Achille quote..

Being top dps isnt hardly relevant and the more this noob debuff increases the less the dps really matters tbh.. Performance is ALWAYS 100% most important. Any top raider will tell you this, ''Less fails means the raid sails''.. ( a little pearl from my raid leading days for you)

Performance is rarely the meters.. excluding the odd dps race boss. My rogue if i really didnt want to murder him with boredom would happily give most a run as he did and often topped meter, means absolutely diddly squat.

If i tomb the whole fooking raid at sindy.. top dps meter BUT wipe the raid.. reckon i might not get invited again hehe:P (obviously i wouldnt) this example could be applied to many , princes, BQl bite, etc etc

Anyways the fact sis you need to take any issues you have with the leader/s.. Its not perfect and those benefitting wont raise a voice but nothing in game or real life ever is perfect..

Give them time mate i know they want the best.. for ALL!

Kernifil
24-07-2010, 02:03 PM
With around 8-9 pages of pure signs (I would say roughly 80 signs) everyone can't get picked. Just because you was there last week and did an excellent work doesn't mean you will always get picked. From what I see Ring is putting together excellent raids every week with a rotation of players. Here's many that's not been selected this week, even if they were there last week and did quite a good job. Want a way to get a spot in the GDKP run? Bring lots and lots of gold. 5000g isn't lots. Nor is 20 000 anymore. Bring atleast 60k that you are WILLING to spend to get a spot. Manbidding is also an extra +.
However, you are never guaranteed a spot unless you have been told so.
If you feel you haven't gotten a spot for ages, I'm sure you can whisper Ring ingame and have a chat. ^^

Magwitch
24-07-2010, 05:00 PM
Leafroy,

Reasons you don't get picked:

1) You talk constantly on vent and in raid chat
2) You say you have 50k to spend but you don't buy obvious upgrades and then say in GDKP chat that you have no money left
3) You wipe the raid a lot
4) The RL's are fed up with getting whispers complaining about your performance/ whining/ attitude
5) Despite the communications between yourself and the RL's none of this has improved
6) 0h yes did I mention the constant WHINING....people don't want to come to any group that you are in.

End of story.

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 05:14 PM
Leafroy,

Reasons you don't get picked:

1) You talk constantly on vent and in raid chat
2) You say you have 50k to spend but you don't buy obvious upgrades and then say in GDKP chat that you have no money left
3) You wipe the raid a lot
4) The RL's are fed up with getting whispers complaining about your performance/ whining/ attitude
5) Despite the communications between yourself and the RL's none of this has improved
6) 0h yes did I mention the constant WHINING....people don't want to come to any group that you are in.

End of story.

(1) and Again i refer to previous .. communication is good. you may liek silence then cool ill shut up..

(2)If i post on sunday i have 50k and by end of week ive spent 20k+ on new toon(buying all the 245s 264s and boes available) or whatever regemming it happens.. Past 2 weeks ive adjusted it as its changed..
Upgrades same as anything have a price your willing to pay.. i see people in raid with tonnes of upgradable items not bidding but i dont blast out at them.. Plus we dont all have the 3 runs a week like some earnign as posted above stupid money and tbh hardly spending it..

(3) To my knowledge not once have i wiped the raid yet..(and i do run fail reports just to check ,ensidia fails silently most raids) Also feih and others run reports so would be nice and easy to check.

(4)Well as to raid leader getting whispers about my attiude perhaps grow some balls and whisper ME! im generally approachable and ofc will tell you if your talking balony in my opinon..

(5) what communication.. sorry dude your dreaming part 5.

(6)Simply what whining? the times i dont like someone standing still in green or something? If i whine i apologise as we all know it is hard when a raid as simple as this people make novelty errors. Not denying i do whine on occasions though:)

Finally you might want to check who my toons are , the ones i let everyone know about. As your either delusional or believng misslead hype.

1 Thing i will say , is if i ever make a mistake i have the balls to apologise to the other players it affects.. Shame alot dont seem to have such... who are your chars anyways?

Also maybe you havent read but ive been responding to a other dude who was digruntled at being missed on selection... So maybe you been missreading these posts as me complaining rather than trying to calm down a very upset ACHILES...

But ofc easier just to post any old reply. Unfounded or not!

Ring0
24-07-2010, 05:16 PM
#[Icecrown Citadel] Raid Log #
======================
Prince Valanar (10:09:12): 1000 + 2500 + 8500 = 12000
Blood-Queen Lana'thel (10:43:37): 5500 + 5500 + 20000 + 2500 + 1000 = 34500
Sindragosa (09:56:33): 18000 + 5000 + 4500 = 27500
Frostwing Whelp (09:38:51): 5000
Chest (08:51:43): 1000 + 1000 + 5000 = 7000
The Damned (08:14:51): 50 + 4500 = 4550
Lord Marrowgar (08:28:44): 8000 + 10000 + 8000 = 26000
Professor Putricide (11:45:26): 3000 + 4500 + 2000 + 3000 = 12500
Chest (08:58:15): 3000 + 4500 + 3000 = 10500
Chest (09:32:16): 5000 + 4000 + 5000 = 14000
Lady Deathwhisper (08:36:40): 1000 + 2200 + 2000 = 5200
Festergut (11:36:12): 1000 + 2000 + 1000 + 1000 = 5000
Rotface (11:06:25): 26000 + 2500 + 10000 = 38500
----------------------
Abyss Crystal: 2
======================
Gold Pot (25 members): 202250 gold
8090g per person
======================

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/pyuy4ci3g1ubqu9m/

I'll write a longer post later but Achille in your particular case it's simply me missing it. It's a lot of work to organize these raids and I do mess up and miss someone over that hasn't been picked several resets in a row, or just plain can't squeeze someone in. This might come as a shock to some but it does in fact take ~2 hours to write 50 names on a list every week. I am aware that certain players get spots every week and that this is not ideal - it is being worked on an these people will eventually get sat out more. This is all because of the content not being so, ah, retard-friendly (See Myrg's earlier post). If this was Naxxramas difficulty people like Feih, Furiat, Alliss, Claire, Stocker, Myrg, etc. would get spots based on the fact they spend ~20k every raid and not that without their DPS/healing/tanking abilities we'd be wiping on Rotface heroic. It's not a "I'm buddies with the RL" scenario as you claim. In order to do Icecrown heroic I need to bring enough people who can do the job and fill the raid with competent people that want competing drops. Is this selective? Yes, of course. I can swap 24 people around next week and pray to God that we can clear 11/12 with 6 heroic modes if you feel that's a better approach.

This might also come as a shock but I do have a weekly list of who bought what and I do keep track of who's bought what and who has what upgrades left before I make the list. This also means I do know who's not buying what they should be bidding on. In fact many times the decision simply boils down to taking the player that has more slots to upgrade and as such is more likely to buy stuff. If I skipped you out several times it wasn't intentional and if you're still interested we can work something out :)

That goes for everyone - I usually get mails about "I didn't get picked again" and will try and get these people in the next run. Some people don't get picked simply because of "Hi I have 232 ilevel gear and 3k to spend" though.

Edit: And how do you spend 20k on respecs? Even Morilith, the utility Death Knight, hasn't spent that much on respeccing.

Sheriden
24-07-2010, 05:28 PM
This is rubbish, I signed to 4 gdkp runs, been taken to the first of the four, in which I:
- was perfectly on time
- raped everyone on the meter even having 300 less gear score than most others
- bid 20k on hc dislodged, still spent 15k on i264 tokens + 3k on i264 back, which was more than what most ppl spent that run

I'm out of this shit

Ok bye.

I've not been picked for weeks in a row an not once have I come to the forums and cried about it, it happens you get over it an PuG the first 4 like everyone else :)

GDKP isnt just about bringing bags of gold, its about earning your place too, 100K is useless if you cant kill things to spend it.

Ring0
24-07-2010, 05:42 PM
Oh and, just for the record. Here's who actually bought what today:

# Loot Log (Boss) #

>> Prince Valanar (10:09:12)
[Cryptmaker]
>><Entaría> 1000g
[Shadowfrost Shard]
>><Nillup> 2500g
[Shadow Silk Spindle]
>><Irydius> 8500g

>> Blood-Queen Lana'thel (10:43:37)
[Conqueror's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Unlocked> 5500g
[Conqueror's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Unlocked> 5500g
[Conqueror's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Feihcretsam> 20000g
[Shadowfrost Shard]
>><Nillup> 2500g
[Bauble of True Blood]
>><Lillshaman> 1000g

>> Sindragosa (09:56:33)
[Vanquisher's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Drueclair> 4500g
[Vanquisher's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Entaría> 5000g
[Phylactery of the Nameless Lich]
>><Alliss> 18000g

>> Frostwing Whelp (09:38:51)
[Wodin's Lucky Necklace]
>><Okamii> 5000g

>> Chest (08:51:43)
[Gunship Captain's Mittens]
>><Myrgthe> 1000g
[Corp'rethar Ceremonial Crown]
>><Nasuarda> 1000g
[Skeleton Lord's Circle]
>><Torm> 5000g

>> The Damned (08:14:51)
Abyss Crystal
>><Tronk> 50g
[Wodin's Lucky Necklace]
>><Rivy> 4500g

>> Lord Marrowgar (08:28:44)
[Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter]
>><Torm> 10000g
[Bulwark of Smouldering Steel]
>><Xirasis> 8000g
[Frozen Bonespike]
>><Nasuarda> 8000g

>> Rotface (11:06:25)
[Bile-Encrusted Medallion]
>><Ringstar> 10000g
[Dislodged Foreign Object]
>><Irydius> 26000g
[Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy]
>><Drueclair> 2500g

>> Chest (08:58:15)
[Protector's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Midassi> 3000g
[Vanquisher's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Drueclair> 4500g
[Bloodvenom Blade]
>><Midassi> 3000g

>> Chest (09:32:16)
[Frostbrood Sapphire Ring]
>><Ringstar> 5000g
[Boots of the Funeral March]
>><Xirasis> 4000g
[Noose of Malachite]
>><Tronk> 5000g

>> Professor Putricide (11:45:26)
[Last Word]
>><Midassi> 3000g
[Vanquisher's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Entaría> 4500g
[Shadowfrost Shard]
>><Nillup> 2000g
[Protector's Mark of Sanctification]
>><Midassi> 3000g

>> Festergut (11:36:12)
[Shadowfrost Shard]
>><Nillup> 2000g
[Distant Land]
>><Rivy> 1000g
[Belt of Broken Bones]
>><Entaría> 1000g
[Faceplate of the Forgotten]
>><Torm> 1000g

>> Lady Deathwhisper (08:36:40)
[Blood-Soaked Saronite Stompers]
>><Entaría> 1000g
[Primordial Saronite]
>><Tronk> 2200g
[Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard]
>><Entaría> 2000g

Leafroy
24-07-2010, 06:17 PM
Was not clearly put, i meant 20k on boe's etc for the new character also cost 2k every regem of leafroy using same t10 feral set for kitty tanking etc.. editted the post, ty for pointing that out..

Ring0
24-07-2010, 06:41 PM
Job implies compensation. What compensation do you think anyone gets for leading in WoW?

The mod rounds out to gold and not silvers/coppers so your compensation is the raid leader earns an extra ~5-7g at the end of the raid :)

Xirasis
24-07-2010, 08:15 PM
Hopefully more stuff i actually want till drop so i can spend ^^, Heroic tier tokens are now up on the list as most gears from Hardmodes we miss :P. Watch out Fei! ;)

kellock
24-07-2010, 10:31 PM
if i can still sign up for sunday

Character Name: Kellock
Class & Role: Warlock DPS
Avg level gear: 5.8k gs average - 6k, depending on which spec
Gold willing to spend: 8k gold

Clínt
25-07-2010, 12:31 AM
Just had some pretty distressing personal news so may not be able now to make today's (Sundays) run with my priest Ellife. If you can replace me go for it if not I'll try to be there but I'm not sure now as I might be homeless by tomorrow lunch depending how things go :/

Apologies again

Sheriden
25-07-2010, 01:06 AM
Just had some pretty distressing personal news so may not be able now to make today's (Sundays) run with my priest Ellife. If you can replace me go for it if not I'll try to be there but I'm not sure now as I might be homeless by tomorrow lunch depending how things go :/

Apologies again

No way dude :(

Dont worry if you cant make it an I hope things work out for ya.

Sheriden
25-07-2010, 01:42 AM
Sorry for the double post.

I would like to say a big thank you to Ring, Myr and the rest of the GDKP team.

You guys are underappreciated, I didnt know how long you spent getting everything together for the 3 weekly GDKP runs and after reading this thread now I and the rest of us do.

Give them credit guys they spend there own time sorting it out every week and some of you dont even say thanks at the end of it, others bitch and others hassle them all week for the lists.

An look what happens when you dont get picked, you hit the forums with abuse and bullshit which we can all do without. I myself have not been picked on a few occasions, I know of friends and guildies that have also had to sit out long periods of time and not once have I or them come to the forums or bugged Ring, Myr or anyone else about it.

We simply turn up on raid day ready to go regardless if we made the list or not, let them know we are available if needed and wish them the best of luck!

On a few occasions we even ended up putting a 25 PuG together. So feel free to rotate me I honestly dont mind an wont flip out should you decide to.

An again a big thank you to Ring, Myr and the rest of the GDKP team.


Sheriden.

thingemejig
25-07-2010, 02:02 AM
pffft i always harras either ring or myr if i dont get picked i just spam them with pick me notes and hope for the best:P

Leafroy
25-07-2010, 11:16 AM
Sorry for the double post.

I would like to say a big thank you to Ring, Myr and the rest of the GDKP team.

You guys are underappreciated, I didnt know how long you spent getting everything together for the 3 weekly GDKP runs and after reading this thread now I and the rest of us do.

Give them credit guys they spend there own time sorting it out every week and some of you dont even say thanks at the end of it, others bitch and others hassle them all week for the lists.

An look what happens when you dont get picked, you hit the forums with abuse and bullshit which we can all do without. I myself have not been picked on a few occasions, I know of friends and guildies that have also had to sit out long periods of time and not once have I or them come to the forums or bugged Ring, Myr or anyone else about it.

We simply turn up on raid day ready to go regardless if we made the list or not, let them know we are available if needed and wish them the best of luck!

On a few occasions we even ended up putting a 25 PuG together. So feel free to rotate me I honestly dont mind an wont flip out should you decide to.

An again a big thank you to Ring, Myr and the rest of the GDKP team.


Sheriden.

/agree

Myrgthe
25-07-2010, 11:19 AM
/blush In all honesty - our payment is being part of a fun raid team. So thanks back at all of you for performing your best and engaging yourselves in our weekend projects :D

achille
25-07-2010, 11:34 AM
Ok bye.

I've not been picked for weeks in a row an not once have I come to the forums and cried about it, it happens you get over it an PuG the first 4 like everyone else :)

GDKP isnt just about bringing bags of gold, its about earning your place too, 100K is useless if you cant kill things to spend it.

You must have missed the part where I said that there is noone in these raids that even went close to do my damage the one time I was miraculously invited because some regular must have been mia, but oh well :)

Myrgthe
25-07-2010, 11:36 AM
I should have said something. Achilles - even tho we don't talk much. I still consider you a friend back from our TAO days. You being left out was pure oversight. It happens. I'm sorry. If you are available next week we'll do our best. I'm saying this without talking to Ringstar, but I think he'll agree :)

Sheriden
25-07-2010, 12:05 PM
You must have missed the part where I said that there is noone in these raids that even went close to do my damage the one time I was miraculously invited because some regular must have been mia, but oh well :)

Its a team effort its not about topping the meters, I could quite easily do that too but I choose to heal people when needed to avoid wipes and such, most of us will agree surviving and killing the boss > topping damage done and wiping.

sageclaire
25-07-2010, 12:47 PM
I understand your point, but you are ignoring the fact that the one time I came I topped the damage meter on 90% of the bosses (the ones I ever did before that raid) and only was like second to feic to the others, having 300 gs less than him. Recounts DMG/GS tab I truly put everyone to shame. So it is hardly about performance.

I wouldn't have a problem to be benched, but once, twice in a row tops, more times in a row when the same people are never benched and do inferior damage is retarded, no guild would ever tolerate that.

Don't mention other guilds to me please, I was in Coi doing sf way before the people in these raids even played.

WoW, such an arrogant post. So, topping the dps chart is top in prio? not helping others and killing boss encounters? For me, i prefer a happy raiding environment with no hurling of abuses and E-PEEN stroking ( LINKING lol-DPS or gayscore ) over some emo-lock who only care bout his well being and not the raid as a whole.

P/s - So, you WERE in CoI, and does that make you ANY better than us? ( with all due respect to other CoI people out there which i know are very nice and decent folks ). YOUR elitist attitude really irked me.

Xirasis
25-07-2010, 01:25 PM
WoW, such an arrogant post. So, topping the dps chart is top in prio? not helping others and killing boss encounters? For me, i prefer a happy raiding environment with no hurling of abuses and E-PEEN stroking

Took the words right out of my mouth :P

Erendira
25-07-2010, 08:47 PM
Achille is a nice guy, that not only tops meters but also manages to not stand in fire etc. He's an actual good player, which is more than can be said about a lot of people attending the GDKP runs.

Sheriden
26-07-2010, 03:14 AM
Achille is a nice guy, that not only tops meters but also manages to not stand in fire etc. He's an actual good player, which is more than can be said about a lot of people attending the GDKP runs.

An he proved this with his original post...

Restor
26-07-2010, 06:59 AM
Seriously people, You need some perspective here.

I know how annoyed one can be at not being picked for a run (I've been skipped quite a few runs, even tho i signed for both days, always use flasks, perform fine (no comments about last Bloodqueen plox ;p), bla bla).

However, as it's been said countless times already , GDKP runs are based on effort put by leaders (hai Ringo, Myr),who have no other rewards than the rest of participants, so why do You have so high expectations of them? Even if they take their friends over other people, skip You for no obvious reasons, it's their raid, their choice. It's great they try to be fair, spend few hours balancing the lists, but You cannot demand a slot.Ask for it nicely, point out mistakes, imbalances or w/e in a polite manner, but that's it.

All that drama spoils the fun and discourages everyone (especially RLs).You gain nothing and show Your immaturity only.

Feihcretsam
26-07-2010, 09:34 AM
It used to work out better when there was just 1 run and 30 signups:p now there are loads of people all of a sudden

And group drama comes when people say they will spend 50k and they dont buy shit, the heroic lolship neck went for 5k sunday and heroic DFO for 12k:P if the group has liek, 2 good dps and 1 ''looter'' for every class, and then the looter doesnt buy anything, the leader had to leave out someone else who might not have 50k to spend, but someone who does spend what he does have with 20 or 30k.

aka be mad at & get rid of the people not bidding what they promise:P

And you can rotate me out for rhad some time, he practically taught me what to do as warlock:P or rotate a noob ranged and get 2 of us on top of your meters

Leafroy
26-07-2010, 10:17 AM
hehe Feih i can teach you how to play lock in 2 words.. Not that you need these 2 words at all. Other than that im staying out of this drama, as its not me for once.. woot!

DOT EVERYTHING!

/hug :P