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Kryptonix
14-07-2010, 10:01 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/10prds6.jpg

A list of people the recently retired* GM of AR wants out of the guild.

But, dear members, why were you not informed or approached? Is it perhaps because of their obscene recruitment policies that simply "forced" you out once they had found a suitable replacement? I think so.

So many former AR members have been bullied out of this guild in this manner - many of whom have since retired or changed guilds. (RtN and COI to name but two)

Just thought I would share this with you, the current members. As you will all now be aware, I was just forced out just this very evening - apparently discussing the possibilities of creating a new guild with unhappy guild members via private chat is not allowed. Also discussing people that really fail in private chat (note: skype) is also wrong - plus even providing real solutions to the problems faced by the guild to the management directly is also not appreciated or tolerated.

So potential recruits, please bear this in mind before applying to AR. Also the bit about no repairs and free food - the repairs are only available for progress content, which at present means zero LK 25m hc for the last number of weeks, and poor progress inside the Ruby Sanctum. That's another story.

[* until cata.]

Disclaimer: The screenshot was provided to me by a member, who, at the time it was written (June 21st) was an active and respected guild member. They also left the guild for similar reasons.

@Trolls: Hi. Make me welcome.

Jarelan
14-07-2010, 10:46 PM
*popcorn*

Avalith
14-07-2010, 10:54 PM
the only thing i have to say is hmmmm

Fistandilus
15-07-2010, 12:51 AM
...i remember back when i left... err no, but i think some of you should consider applying to CoI, as we could most likely use some of you :D

Moonblazed
15-07-2010, 06:23 AM
What a sad sad person you've become.

That screenshot, I can give you many many more like that if you want more crap to shoot chickens with. Most are then taken out of the context. oh, the times back in the day that the officers made a list of who was not worth keeping... hard to keep track. Most of the time nothing bad was meant, just officer rants. The others were justified. That's why there is a management, and AR management has been more than lenient throughout the years

Oh dear you were "forced" out of the guild .....what a truly bad thing to do to KryptonLs

Djeez you fail to do this on so many levels, and even I could hold a grudge against AR but at least i know the true value and progress they made.

apparently discussing the possibilities of creating a new guild with unhappy guild members via private chat is not allowed.

That's poaching, you should have been gone at the first sign of that

plus even providing real solutions to the problems faced by the guild to the management directly is also not appreciated or tolerated.

oh wait, is that why you didn't get to become officer again? Because you apparently have a big mouth behind people's backs, but can't do the real job when it's required?

So potential recruits, please bear this in mind before applying to AR. Also the bit about no repairs and free food - the repairs are only available for progress content

Funny stuff, since every other guild doesn't give such a thing at all

which at present means zero LK 25m hc for the last number of weeks, and poor progress inside the Ruby Sanctum.

Seems you must be a new player and never ever heard of the summer-raiding period. Every year things slow down.


TL;DR?
You've been trying to smack AR, out of pure frustration that you didn't get your way. I hope the door did hit you hard on your way out and I hope the AR-members with the heart on the right place just ignore your BS

Haplo
15-07-2010, 06:24 AM
*throws another shrimp on the barbi*

Moonblazed
15-07-2010, 06:25 AM
shrimps on the barb? hmmm interesting idea

Haplo
15-07-2010, 08:01 AM
where is my hotsauce?!

Ghosty
15-07-2010, 08:33 AM
What a sad sad person you've become.

That screenshot, I can give you many many more like that if you want more crap to shoot chickens with. Most are then taken out of the context. oh, the times back in the day that the officers made a list of who was not worth keeping... hard to keep track. Most of the time nothing bad was meant, just officer rants. The others were justified. That's why there is a management, and AR management has been more than lenient throughout the years

Oh dear you were "forced" out of the guild .....what a truly bad thing to do to KryptonLs

Djeez you fail to do this on so many levels, and even I could hold a grudge against AR but at least i know the true value and progress they made.



That's poaching, you should have been gone at the first sign of that



oh wait, is that why you didn't get to become officer again? Because you apparently have a big mouth behind people's backs, but can't do the real job when it's required?



Funny stuff, since every other guild doesn't give such a thing at all



Seems you must be a new player and never ever heard of the summer-raiding period. Every year things slow down.


TL;DR?
You've been trying to smack AR, out of pure frustration that you didn't get your way. I hope the door did hit you hard on your way out and I hope the AR-members with the heart on the right place just ignore your BS
QFT.

Having been presented the full chatlogs from our officers (not the chatlog depicted in Krypt's post), it clearly shows what plans you had Kryp, and I must say that I am very disappointed in you. Basically the goal justifies the means, whatever the costs may be.

Über
15-07-2010, 08:35 AM
Oh look, another QQ thread. Where's my hide-function again..?

Rokky
15-07-2010, 08:48 AM
I'm a tad confused by this thread, I'm not sure what to believe.

Feihcretsam
15-07-2010, 08:53 AM
http://eighty1.net/images/misc/drama-llama.jpg

Coven
15-07-2010, 09:02 AM
Drama. You're doing it wrong.

Kryptonix
15-07-2010, 09:49 AM
What a sad sad person you've become.

That screenshot, I can give you many many more like that if you want more crap to shoot chickens with. Most are then taken out of the context. oh, the times back in the day that the officers made a list of who was not worth keeping... hard to keep track. Most of the time nothing bad was meant, just officer rants. The others were justified. That's why there is a management, and AR management has been more than lenient throughout the years

It was merely posted so that those named could be made aware, since they were not aware at all. Is that not fair?

Oh dear you were "forced" out of the guild .....what a truly bad thing to do to KryptonLs

Djeez you fail to do this on so many levels, and even I could hold a grudge against AR but at least i know the true value and progress they made.

Yes, I was asked to leave - a process by which you yourself are familiar with. You've been back multiple times - "value" and "progress"? Naturally my 2 years inside is not as long as your previous reign on Aggramar, but the progress on this realm has been poor. It's a fact.

That's poaching, you should have been gone at the first sign of that

oh wait, is that why you didn't get to become officer again? Because you apparently have a big mouth behind people's backs, but can't do the real job when it's required?

I have been officer twice. Yes, others and I regularly talk about any and everything - before, during and after raids. It's called socialising. I am more than capable of leading raids and sorting out issues when required - but if the management deliberately choose to ignore my solutions - why I am I the bad guy?

Funny stuff, since every other guild doesn't give such a thing at all

I will assume this is sarcasm. There are still people out there that struggle to make gold, though, so it's good for them to know.

Seems you must be a new player and never ever heard of the summer-raiding period. Every year things slow down.

TL;DR?
You've been trying to smack AR, out of pure frustration that you didn't get your way. I hope the door did hit you hard on your way out and I hope the AR-members with the heart on the right place just ignore your BS

The new guild plans were drafted in February this year. If they had/hadn't or do go ahead then it doesn't bother me at this moment. If the management bothered to put their ears to the floor and made themselves more approachable then maybe they could have identified the unhappy people - rather then have them come to me every single raid we had.

QFT.

Having been presented the full chatlogs from our officers (not the chatlog depicted in Krypt's post), it clearly shows what plans you had Kryp, and I must say that I am very disappointed in you. Basically the goal justifies the means, whatever the costs may be.

Is this the log from May time, the emails from around then or the discussions that took place yesterday evening prior to my departure? We already had a long enough chat about what happened - nice to know now you have changed sides. C'est la vie.

Ghosty
15-07-2010, 10:18 AM
Is this the log from May time, the emails from around then or the discussions that took place yesterday evening prior to my departure? We already had a long enough chat about what happened - nice to know now you have changed sides. C'est la vie.
I do not know when the logs are from. To make it clear Krypt I don't take sides, but when something I have helped built over the years gets dragged through the mud (and the people too), I do voice my opinion.

My loyalty lies with AR and not a single individual.

Haplo
15-07-2010, 11:40 AM
I like my drama served with a side dish of bbq-ed shrimps..




ps. dont forget the sauce..

Iskii
15-07-2010, 11:42 AM
I feel sorry for you Krypt. You obviously have very little Socialising life outside this game. Well that's my assumption from your childish act of posting a 'BEWARE' post (Failed) on the realm forums.

I'm not taking sides here as i dont know the full story; But from the screenies i saw on AR forums, you should have been kicked on the spot. Yours just show rants from Officers, which are most probably emotions from a bad raid. The screenies on AR forums (About you) is a long thought out 'conspiracy' or however you want to put it.

Oh guess i just took sides.

Kryptonix
15-07-2010, 12:11 PM
I feel sorry for you Krypt. You obviously have very little Socialising life outside this game. Well that's my assumption from your childish act of posting a 'BEWARE' post (Failed) on the realm forums.

I'm not taking sides here as i dont know the full story; But from the screenies i saw on AR forums, you should have been kicked on the spot. Yours just show rants from Officers, which are most probably emotions from a bad raid. The screenies on AR forums (About you) is a long thought out 'conspiracy' or however you want to put it.

Oh guess i just took sides.

As I have already said, it was posted to make members aware. Nothing more, nothing less.

The posted screens, which I have since seen, refer to a period at the end of April at which point I was put back as officer.

I was asked to provide honest answers to his questions, to which I duly responded:

- Yes, multiple AR members drafted plans to make a new guild with me. (read: February 2010) Said people were unhappy with various elements and members within the guild.

- I was asked by him for my thoughts on the two people about to be promoted - kreg and krull. Honest answers were provided. I also provided reasoning against them, and reasons to not rush his decision of making officers. What is wrong with this?

- I listed a number of people I have had disagreements with. This is over 3 months ago. Two of those people aren't in the guild or have vanished. This is an identical situation to, say a person disliking his coworkers or boss. It's reality. As long as one does not publicly hate or abuse these people, then nobody knows - and no harm is done.

Your points are as invalid as the ex-officers regrouping on the AR forums. As for your stab at me regarding socialising, what's wrong with chatting to people on skype/TS? Each to their own, surely.

Über
15-07-2010, 12:12 PM
the screenies i saw on AR forums, you should have been kicked on the spot

Post them here, if they have any comical value what so ever. =7

Ghosty
15-07-2010, 12:31 PM
As long as one does not publicly hate or abuse these people, then nobody knows - and no harm is done.
That's funny considering what you have done in this post Krypt. Publically showing a single screen-shot (from another member) that constitutes as the proof™ for your accusations. Those /w's were private between two people where one party most likely vented his frustrations. I believe those /w's should not be taken seriously, as anyone knows there are good and bad nights while raiding.

In fact Krypt some people mentioned that they feel targeted out by you for making that screen-shot available. I would say you abused those people by posting the screen-shot.

Kryptonix
15-07-2010, 12:50 PM
That's funny considering what you have done in this post Krypt. Publically showing a single screen-shot (from another member) that constitutes as the proof™ for your accusations. Those /w's were private between two people where one party most likely vented his frustrations. I believe those /w's should not be taken seriously, as anyone knows there are good and bad nights while raiding.

In fact Krypt some people mentioned that they feel targeted out by you for making that screen-shot available. I would say you abused those people by posting the screen-shot.

Right, so you are saying what I have done is the same situation as to what others have done - nothing gained, nothing ventured then? Perhaps you shouldn't take my whispers seriously as well then.

Yeah I know what everyone has said thus far. For someone that's not played WoW with us for eighteen months, you sure seem to know much. Seeing the long MSN chat we had yesterday, you did a fair bit of Vael bashing and said many times that you didn't know what went on anymore.

Ghosty
15-07-2010, 01:01 PM
Seeing the long MSN chat we had yesterday, you did a fair bit of Vael bashing and said many times that you didn't know what went on anymore.
You know better Krypt that what I said about Vael had NO direct relation to that screen-shot you mentioned. It's called "venting" and sometimes people just rant on about things going on in their mind. Unlike you I don't take ranting serious and take screen-shots of it and calling it proof. This was of a private nature, but I'm happy tell you that since last night whatever bad "air" I had has been cleared. We had a PM conversation a couple of hours ago, and I have no hard feelings towards him.

Even though I have not been in-game since last December (not 18 months, learn to count), I still have some knowledge of what is going on. I too Krypt speak to people in a non-WOW environment, just as you.

Keep digging buddie, you'll hit China soon.

Kryptonix
15-07-2010, 01:14 PM
Even though I have not been in-game since last December (not 18 months, learn to count), I still have some knowledge of what is going on. I too Krypt speak to people in a non-WOW environment, just as you.

Sure, you had the odd spell in Jan/Feb 09 inside Naxx, and came back for a couple of Ulduar kills in June/July 09, and downed a couple of TOC bosses in December 09. It is this time in Naxx with which you were more on the roster than you have been in the last eighteen months.

The last time you were properly on the roster was surely around our Naxx era, which began shortly after AR landed on this realm. AR's Naxx 25m work started in December 08 and lasted a couple of months. This is the period with which I am stating.

Flawless
15-07-2010, 01:19 PM
Just what the fuck is this about? Some scrubs get booted from guild?

Iskii
15-07-2010, 01:23 PM
Keep digging buddie, you'll hit China soon.

or is it Australia? :cool:

And Krypt, it wasnt a dig at all. It was an opinion.

Iskii
15-07-2010, 01:24 PM
Sure, you had the odd spell in Jan/Feb 09 inside Naxx, and came back for a couple of Ulduar kills in June/July 09, and downed a couple of TOC bosses in December 09. It is this time in Naxx with which you were more on the roster than you have been in the last eighteen months.

The last time you were properly on the roster was surely around our Naxx era, which began shortly after AR landed on this realm. AR's Naxx 25m work started in December 08 and lasted a couple of months. This is the period with which I am stating.

you really need a life

Coven
15-07-2010, 01:27 PM
Just what the fuck is this about? Some scrubs get booted from guild?

Prolly. Something to read over lunch though. :P

*feeds fire*

valence
15-07-2010, 03:24 PM
I approve of this thread!

Treeny
15-07-2010, 05:49 PM
lame thread.

hopefully this does not effect AR's rep.

Jimmy the Necromancer
15-07-2010, 08:43 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060927235149/wowwiki/images/3/36/Ability_backstab.png

Jarelan
15-07-2010, 09:31 PM
no self respecting rogue uses backstab nowadays :)

Feihcretsam
15-07-2010, 09:35 PM
lame thread.

hopefully this does not effect AR's rep.

what rep?

vanroguesing
15-07-2010, 09:42 PM
What the Gnome said.. and for the love of god i aint no Night elf!

Flawless
15-07-2010, 10:52 PM
no self respecting rogue uses backstab nowadays :)

TBC Mutilate GO!

Ring0
15-07-2010, 11:02 PM
What a sad sad person you've become.

I feel sorry for you Krypt. You obviously have very little Socialising life outside this game. Well that's my assumption from your childish act of posting a 'BEWARE' post (Failed) on the realm forums.

you really need a life

Funny how the "defendants" resort to personal attacks instead of simply posting the counter-evidence full-length logs and screenshots that they claim to have.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/Ring0/motivatoredeefff0d81ef4688a6fb252f3.jpg

Anwamanë
15-07-2010, 11:45 PM
While I don't defend comments about krypt of how sad he is, or how low he has become, wich is rather idiotic btw, I dare to say that there are some screenshots that we got linked on our own guildforums wich can explain some. Wich kryptonis should have done with this screenshot as well. Wich I feel is only hurting more, and maybe other things than Krypt meant to "hurt". I don't mean for the guild, but those whos "listed" in that SS, who all are decent, and some even very good players.

I must add tho, I respect KryptonIs for what he has done for AR and for me ingame he is one of those I talk/emotes most with. And still is.

Posting stuff here on realm forums however is not cool, and something I always had a personally grudge against. This is a guildthing, and for the guild only. It isn't now tho obviously.

Again, its low going on KryptonIs that way, personal and all. I tought better of you.

Last, drama is always healthy, now and then. At least when its not about your own guild:)

Flawless
16-07-2010, 05:59 AM
Funny how the "defendants" resort to personal attacks instead of simply posting the counter-evidence full-length logs and screenshots that they claim to have.



http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/disagreement-hierarchy.jpg

if only it worked like that on here.

Coven
16-07-2010, 09:37 AM
(unfortunately) it's a dark part of human nature to enjoy other peoples' suffering, it's why the gladiator pits were so entertaining despite the horrific brutality and gore. Add a bit of theatre, and all of a sudden you're not watching politcal prisoners being murdered in front of you!

I have to agree with Ring0 though - if everything Krypt had said was out of context and there were logs to show how skewed his opinion was, then post them. That could have been end of story, unless there was some truth to it. It's out in the open anyway, so no more harm done to take those screenies away from an internal guild forum.

Or, I'm bored at work and want entertaining! Mwoar drahmah! Bring out the lions I say!! ;D "...ENTER THE BARBARIANS OF CARTHAGE!!"

Rosa
16-07-2010, 11:39 AM
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/disagreement-hierarchy.jpg

if only it worked like that on here.

My new hero of the day.

Alverion
18-07-2010, 09:34 AM
Flaw is the ultimate forum/internet hero.

Rokky
19-07-2010, 08:09 AM
Wow, that was a good read I'd say :)

Malakali
21-07-2010, 02:11 AM
what rep?

what rep?

Rokky
21-07-2010, 02:17 AM
what rep?

what rep?

Kromp
23-09-2010, 09:44 AM
Hmm... I recently had a private conversation like that with my GM on vent (im raidleader in the guild myself). We were discussing members performances (attitude/attendance and skillwise), and we didnt realize 1 of the members we talked about joined our channel and overheard it...

Password on officerchannel in vent was added 5 mins later :D

This member reacted like he should: He realized he had to notch up his performance and did so... instead of QQing on public forums!

The thing is: You can't let 20 others down on progres or ennoy them with dramaqueens cuz 1 person doesnt fit in the group 1 way or the other... It has to be discussed!

Guildleaders have to make nasty decisions sometimes. To get or keep the guildprogress rolling...

I'm dutch and can read ur screeny... but im not judging Vael or AR over a stupid screenshot of a half conversation!

One thing I do know... leaking out private conversations is so lame...

Flury
23-09-2010, 04:27 PM
Necro much?

Ring0
24-09-2010, 02:00 PM
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Kryptonix
02-10-2010, 06:26 AM
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Hmm he gained weight somewhere...

Metakerk
02-10-2010, 06:59 AM
Hmm he gained weight somewhere...

Just like you when you turned Orc?