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admin
07-12-2009, 03:24 PM
Guildmasters - you need to update your guild's raid progress for the scores to be calculated correctly.

It'll take a few days after SSE3 launch for the ladders to reorganise themselves.

Sylfide
07-12-2009, 06:22 PM
I get Auth failure 2. when I try to update. I guess I have to be Guildmaster to update?

Turiel
07-12-2009, 06:26 PM
Yeah GM or designated editor (set by GM)

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 06:27 PM
And what if GM isn't registered here? Need to bother her to do so, or?

Turiel
07-12-2009, 06:30 PM
Yes (stupid 10 character limit)

Although, if you had permission to edit it before, you should still have.

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 06:36 PM
Then something isn't working as intended, same error as Sylfide. I have Edit Raid Progress page but after trying to save I'm getting "Auth failure 2." error (white page with only this message).

Sylfide
07-12-2009, 06:38 PM
I am not the GM of Immersion so my error is prolly ok ;p

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 06:40 PM
But, just like me, you had permission before.

Sylfide
07-12-2009, 06:49 PM
Yes. I am doing the Immersion PR but apparantly the rights got taken from us and given to the GM.

Turiel
07-12-2009, 07:18 PM
Added some debug messages, try it again and give me the error.

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 07:23 PM
Auth failure 2. Your username is Vegelus, allowed editors are and
That's exacly what I'm getting now.

Turiel
07-12-2009, 07:25 PM
k retry

Sylfide
07-12-2009, 07:36 PM
I got it working now except the 10mans. Only CoI is regged there by the looks of it

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 07:40 PM
Lost editing rights at all it seems. Btw, why N/A on Vezax HM?

Turiel
07-12-2009, 07:57 PM
What problem editing 10mans?

Vege you still have access?

Vesax HM now available.

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 08:02 PM
No access at all, don't have "edit" button on guild page.
Btw why doubling Ulduar hard modes (there were both boss kill and connected achievement date fields on HM page)?

Turiel
07-12-2009, 08:04 PM
No access at all, don't have "edit" button on guild page.
Btw why doubling Ulduar hard modes (there were both boss kill and connected achievement date fields on HM page)?

Relog in on the forum, you might have lost your login.

Because of the inconsistent way that blizzard does hard modes and achievements. If there was an
achievement for every hard mode, or a hard mode for every achievement, it would be easier but it
varies between instances and even in the same instance.

So, points for bosses, hardmodes, and achievements. They might double-up.

Sylfide
07-12-2009, 08:05 PM
I got it working now Turiel :)

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 08:09 PM
25HM works, while trying to edit guild info returns "Cannot perform the requested action".

Aaaand another thing, probably won't so important for guilds with all that progress already updated, but some sort of link, linking back to guild preview (or something like that) after updating would be nice.

Trying to edit guild info: "Cannot perform the requested action".

edit2: And what happened to S3D and Maly?

Turiel
07-12-2009, 11:06 PM
Try guild info edit again.

There wasn't room for "Single" bosses and they're pretty irrelevant nowadays.

Vegelus
07-12-2009, 11:14 PM
Thanks, works now. And I assume statistics and recruitment are on to-do list (Last updated: 1260227484 :) )?

Turiel
07-12-2009, 11:16 PM
Yeah there was some stuff I didnt get finished cause nobody would help me! :P

Flawless
07-12-2009, 11:20 PM
Should of just asked :p

Senex
08-12-2009, 02:11 PM
I've heard that Nozdormu is very interested in the guild that managed to kill bosses in Naxxramas 10/25 almost one year before WotLK was released. ;)

Vegelus
10-12-2009, 09:02 AM
I've heard that Nozdormu is very interested in the guild that managed to kill bosses in Naxxramas 10/25 almost one year before WotLK was released. ;)
Yea, if I understand Raid Score Calculation table correctly, then someone had their 25man Iron Council first kill at 2008-05-31, right? Same is with various Ulduar and Naxx bosses, on both 10 and 25man progress pages.

Turiel
10-12-2009, 04:47 PM
I'll do something to figure out who those guilds are.

Elexin
10-12-2009, 05:03 PM
It went on a traul through the pages. The Ulduar outlier for both 10 and 25 is Bloodthrust Clan (http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/guilds/guildlist/110?task=view&guildid=440165). Should I just change all the 2008s to 2009s?

I'm going back to look for the Naxx outliers now.

Okay, think I have them.

10man Kel'Thuzad Kill on February 12th 2008: Immersion
http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/guilds/guildlist/110?task=view&guildid=1097284
All the others are Nov with Gothik/Razu/4H/Sapphiron in December.
I'm assuming the numbers probably got switched, so it should be 2nd December rather than 12th Feb?

25man various Naxx kills scattered throughout March 2008: Goblins
http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/guilds/guildlist/110?task=view&guildid=205351
All the kills that aren't tagged 2008 are tagged as Jan/Feb 2009, so I'm assuming that the others should be 2009 as well?

I think thats all of them.
Give me the go-ahead and I'll go switch those around :)

Saha
10-12-2009, 05:17 PM
Lex, just invest the time to moan at Turiel so he feeds kill dates either from armory or wowprogress or something alike :-P We all know it's hard but damn sweet when we force damn lazy bastard to work!

Elexin
10-12-2009, 05:35 PM
Changed my mind, I'm just going to go ahead and change them all anyway. Those guilds can contact me if any of my guessed fixes were entirely wrong.
I also want to say that, while its damn creepy when its blown up all huge as Goblin's logo, I think this is awesome:
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/1/0/1001smile/11563399.gif

Edit: Okay, just double checking the updates all worked, but I'm done now.
They don't seem to have had an immediate impact on the dates listed in the calculations though.

Vegelus
10-12-2009, 05:37 PM
Lex, just invest the time to moan at Turiel so he feeds kill dates either from armory or wowprogress or something alike :-P We all know it's hard but damn sweet when we force damn lazy bastard to work!
Problem is, he needs kill hours too, and armory (and armory dependent sites) don't support hours and minutes.

thurlog
10-12-2009, 06:24 PM
guildox somehow manages to produce them if you look at the shadowsong page (at individual guildpages it doesn't show and on the realm page only when more guilds are on the same date i think)

Saha
10-12-2009, 06:27 PM
Hours usually are important for first couple bosses or, like in case of IC, normal modes which frankly do not matter much (considering Turiel made quite a job with alocation of points for boss kills etc). I mean, guild "rank" on SSE will not change depending on at what hour you killed the boss, same as it doesn't really change on wowprogress (except if you killed after midnight) unless you get some instance last boss hardmode kill on same day. Which, frankly, is not extremely likely on Shadowsong.

thurlog
10-12-2009, 09:00 PM
3 anub kills last tuesday :p

Tarqy
11-12-2009, 02:47 PM
Problem is, he needs kill hours too, and armory (and armory dependent sites) don't support hours and minutes.

The time and date of achievements are tracked, they just chose not to display the time, probably because in the case of the armory its not necessary

Turiel
11-12-2009, 06:53 PM
Time and date of achievements are tracked yes but there isn't an achievement for every boss, so he's correct. There's only an achievement for killing all 4 of each wing.

Schugar
12-12-2009, 04:56 PM
Hi admins, I would appreciate if someone could explain the list I can see on my guild page

e.g

Raid Score Calculation

Boss Name Difficulty Rating 1st Kill Guild Kill Difference Modifier Total Subtotal 10 Subtotal 25
Freya 10N 100 2008-04-21 2009-06-01 406 days -40.6 59.4 59.4 0
Mimiron 10N 100 2009-04-21 2009-06-01 41 days -4.1 95.9 155.3 0
Auriaya 10N 100 2008-04-18 2009-04-28 375 days -37.5 62.5 217.8 0
Kologarn 10N 100 2008-04-18 2009-04-28 375 days -37.5 62.5 280.3 0
Iron Council 10N 100 2008-04-18 2009-04-28 375 days -37.5 62.5 342.8 0
XT-002 10N 100 2008-04-16 2009-04-21 370 days -37 63 405.8 0


How can the 1th Kill on those bosses pasted above be from 2008? Is it that some guilds have put in wrong data, (what Elexin was talking about earlier in this thread) or is there something i don't understand? How much impact does It have on how the guilds ladder are calculated?

Thanks in advance!

Turiel
12-12-2009, 06:18 PM
Yeah thats guilds putting in the wrong date on their kills.

It means you get less points for that than you should (eg -40 points on freya).

So gotta find those guilds.

Elexin
12-12-2009, 06:55 PM
But on the up side, it means everyone other than them also gets no points, so compared to (almost) everyone else the result is pretty much unchanged ;)

But that said, I still I still swear that I found them.
The ones I found had those dates and I fixed them. It just doesn't seem to have made any difference :(

Turiel
12-12-2009, 07:12 PM
Raid score for everyone is recalculated every hour.

Elexin
12-12-2009, 08:01 PM
Meh :(
Okay, I went looking again and I did find another one. Strength and Honor (http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/guilds/guildlist/110?task=view&guildid=2192238) have Flame Leviathan 25 and varied 10Man bosses set to dates throughout April 2008, so I went and changed all the 2008s to 2009s again.

Edit: Any chance of getting strikethrough forum coding? :P

thurlog
12-12-2009, 08:38 PM
if you check http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/raiding/latest-raid-kills (latest raid kills) you already see some very weird entries. Some prolly easily explained, others very.. ehm.. questionable...

edit: with questionable i mean that consequential raidkilltimes are weird and some times don't follow what their published logs say :)

this is more of a bumpd for that very nice list, no drama here

Zlovely
17-12-2009, 01:25 PM
Any possibility that I get edit rights to Ancarim Iron Legion -pages, please?

Elexin
17-12-2009, 02:12 PM
This isn't actually the place to ask, but yes.

Zlovely
18-12-2009, 07:22 AM
This isn't actually the place to ask, but yes.

First, Thanks the rights. Updated 10man progress yesterday.

Second: The place where to ask does not exitst anymore (at least link in post [WotLK]Shadowsong Raid Guild and Raid Alliance Progress (http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/forum/showpost.php?p=189171&postcount=1) do not work)

And look like I have lost my rights overnight, so no 25man kills updated (not that AIL really raids those....)

Vegelus
18-12-2009, 08:13 AM
Second: The place where to ask does not exitst anymore (at least link in post [WotLK]Shadowsong Raid Guild and Raid Alliance Progress (http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/forum/showpost.php?p=189171&postcount=1) do not work)

And look like I have lost my rights overnight, so no 25man kills updated (not that AIL really raids those....)
Reading forum really helps, you should try it once. If you'd do that, you'd find this thread easily:
http://www.shadowsongeurope.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=10505

As for "loosing" rights: try to relog on forum, you should have them back.

Elexin
18-12-2009, 01:20 PM
We need to give Vegelus some sort of fancy helpful title, because he's far more patient and helpful than I am most of the time :P

Zlovely: Listen to him. The relog will fix it.

With regards to links, well yeah, the links in old posts aren't going to work, because with the forum change all the urls changed to. I really don't have any desire nor intention to go back through all old threads fixing that stuff, because there are a lot of old threads.
Besides, the Edit Your Guild Data thread is in the same place its always been, and other people don't seem to have had any problems finding it :(