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Kryptonix
29-12-2008, 09:21 AM
Yay or nay. Discuss.

Would love to hear from people that have one/thinking of getting one, and what motherboard you'd perhaps recommend.

Llort
29-12-2008, 12:18 PM
I would say, yay.

I am currently an AMD addict. But well, Intel does is becoming more tempting. And, since I will need some new mobo/CPU/mem soon anyway I might as well go for an i7 upgrade.

But that won't happen untill I got moneyz

Flawless
29-12-2008, 01:27 PM
price/performance Core2 is still light years ahead of current i7

base cpu ~260 (slowest cpu)
motherboard ~220 (entry level)
ram ~70 for 3x1GB DDR3-1333 Cas9 (basic level) - this can go way high up 250+ for DDR3-1600 Cas9 2x2GB kits

Compare this with a Core2 system
~150 for Q6600
~100-110 for a decent motherboard
~55 for 2x2GB DDR2-1000 Cas5 (high end for Core2)

Assuming you OC both, the i7 will be faster certainly, however gaming benefits will be marginal, the only time i7 would be most useful is for heavily multi-threaded situations. (4 cores, 4 logical cores)

It will be faster than the Core2 chips but its not worth the gains, Core i7 excels most with the super high end cards/multi-GPU set ups. i.e. tri-sli GTX280 or HD4870X2.

Llort
29-12-2008, 02:19 PM
But that is at this moment. Just wait a few months (3-6) and then the price of i7 will be equal to its performance.

Well, at least, I hope. :P

Flawless
29-12-2008, 02:54 PM
The new chips are due in 09 some time, but currently its not worth it. Either wait until it is or just bite the bullet and builld a core2 system (which is what I would do) no matter when you build a system theres always something "coming out soon".

Psonica
29-12-2008, 02:56 PM
I'll play the devil's advocate a bit here and ask the same I asked a workmate of mine: why?

Currently I don't think a Core i7 will benefit much compared to put the money down in the graphics card or more RAM etc. until operatingsystems/games make decent use of the new features. Paying for features I can't/won't use until another 12 months isn't on top of my list :)

...and my workmate couldn't come up with a better answer than "because it's more expensive" (the infamous "I have to have what's most expensive because it has to be the better option" syndrome) ;)

Flawless
29-12-2008, 03:26 PM
As I said if all you do is game theres no need for it other than HO LEE SHIT look at the size of my techno-peen

JeFF
29-12-2008, 04:19 PM
Another minus as far as I know is that all the new i7 motherboards have a three-channel memory support as opposed to dual-channel which Core 2 mobos have. And that means you have to buy three memory sticks of DDR3 (which still costs like hell compared to DDR2) if you want to utilize the three-channel support.

What I'm planning to do is to wait for about six months when the prices have gone down a bit and then go looking for an i7 PC.

Llort
29-12-2008, 04:39 PM
same as JeFF.

But about dual/triple memory bandwidth, it does not do all THAT much. For instance you are limited on your harddisks. Sure, if a program is loaded for 100% in memory, then it might make a difference IF the program is memory intensive :-)

@Flawless, I do more then just gaming ;-). I infact run intensive multi-threaded/process applications ;-)

Flawless
29-12-2008, 04:58 PM
Then you might want to look into one if you think its worth it, but I'd wait until the better equipment and better prices arrive

Llort
29-12-2008, 09:32 PM
As I said, I will, it is not on my *very soon to do list*.

I need a home first, then a job then money, and then a new rig :P

Goonerr
29-12-2008, 09:41 PM
Ill wait for the "i50 duo ultra extreme"... not that it exists ofcourse but as Flawless pointed out, there is allways somehing "comming soon" and to be quite frank im sick and tired of being buying new stuff only for something better to come out 5 weeks later which games 5 months down the line require to play on minimum settings because they require direccX40, i decided a few weeks back that im gonna hold on to my cash untill a real technological breakthrough in computer hardware comes out, or atleast something substantial, i would sugest u did the same but this is my own personal opinion after all. i do understand a appreciate that some people like the new stuff everytime it comes out each week. :)

Llort
30-12-2008, 10:52 AM
Yes well, in my case my current CPU is 2?3? years old and it just can't keep up with the programs (Altium Designer Summer 08, Altera Quartus, etc) that I run.

As for performance, on tweakers.net (a dutch site) the Core i7 was benchmarked and it does is rather faster than a Core 2 Quad Q6700.

http://tweakers.net/reviews/1024/5/het-nieuwe-intel-core-i7-platform-getest-pagina-5.html
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1024/6/het-nieuwe-intel-core-i7-platform-getest-pagina-6.html

On the first page it shows some normal benchmarking results. On the second page it shows gaming performance.

The first tests were done with a rather slow GPU which shows that the GPU is the limiting factor.
The second test was done with a much faster GPU and you can see the FPS almost double with the new Core i7.

Talsin
30-12-2008, 11:53 AM
im currently using a core i7 965, and i have to say even compared to slightly older quads, perfomance really stepped up a few levels. it is another big step and will be the platform for some while, and the 920's are quite affordable the only drawback being in that you will have to upgrade your memory aswell (allthough dual channel still works) and if you have the same crappy intel dx board as i have it means upgrading all ide stuff to sata (even the cd-roms etc)

Flawless
30-12-2008, 09:03 PM
I'll be waiting until 32nm before getting one, when I upgrade I want the whole nine years with it.

Kryptonix
31-12-2008, 03:16 PM
Good to see lots of replies :)

Due to my non-existant finances, I won't be looking at a new build until at least the end of January. I guess I can hope for a price drop of an i7 920 or a Q9550 CPU, and the same goes for a nice 4870X2 GPU.

Whilst there are still only a few i7 motherboards out there - who's your best choice, brand-wise?

Flawless
01-01-2009, 05:58 AM
unless your PC is terra-bad I'd wait, 32nm will be a better CPU overall, much like the Q6600 vs. E8200, alot more options in the next year in terms of hardware too.

Ashborn
01-01-2009, 05:16 PM
Currently sitting on a Q6600 that overclocks ridiculously well, so personally gonna wait a while.

Flawless
01-01-2009, 07:47 PM
G0 stepping Ashen? Got mine clocked to 3.2ghz

Ashborn
02-01-2009, 02:12 AM
G0 idd, perfectly stable at 3.9ghz.

Flawless
02-01-2009, 02:36 AM
very nice, water cooled I take it?

Ashborn
02-01-2009, 03:15 AM
Well yes :P

Kryptonix
02-01-2009, 11:31 AM
unless your PC is terra-bad I'd wait, 32nm will be a better CPU overall, much like the Q6600 vs. E8200, alot more options in the next year in terms of hardware too.

Current setup:

Intel P4 @ 3.2GHz.
2x ATI Radeon X1800XT's (512MB) in Crossfire.
2GB Corsair DDR2 667MHz RAM.
Asus P5B Deluxe (with Wifi!)
Hard drives and stuff.
24" BenQ FP241W Monitor. (can't wait to see Crysis on full on that screen..... gief i7/Q9550?... & 4870X2)