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Flawless
15-09-2008, 12:42 PM
I was wondering what the pro fury warriors among us where thinking of picking up when 3.0 hits and eventually what they will be using at 80? I've been looking at the talents a while now and I still can't get anything decent ;(

thurlog
15-09-2008, 02:06 PM
I'm leaning towards this 51 point build:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warrior=34003000200000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000005050005520312053120501040

if Titan's grip will be the schnizzle you expect, i aim to go for:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warrior=34003000230500000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000005050005520312053120501051

if it ain't then most likely something like this:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warrior=34003000230000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000005050105525312053120501050

Untill some others have theorycrafted everything and a cookie-cutter raidbuild is available :-)


and heroic leap is a BIG disappointment

Flawless
15-09-2008, 02:21 PM
No bloodsurge with Titan grip? and Heroic leap sounded great :<

and what is, Enraged Assault? I can't find anything explaining what it is. :|

thurlog
15-09-2008, 02:36 PM
i don't use slam in my rotation, altho instant slam might be nice ofc :)

Enraged Assault = Regeneration
Quote from Blizzard staff
Enraged Assault redesigned, now Enraged Regeneration: You regenerate 30% of your total health over 10 sec. This ability consumes all Enrage effects and prevents any from affecting you for the full duration. Must be enraged to use. Cost 15 rage, 3 min cooldown.

Crash
15-09-2008, 03:32 PM
Bloodsurge is really good. Heroic Leap is fine, you just need to learn how to aim it. I've been soloing with this:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=Li0c0fVZVVzmheRVz0tst
which is pretty standard stuff, really. I haven't played with the training dummies using a non-TG fury build to see if it's better for single target stuff (although I doubt it), but one with TG still does an awful lot of damage. If you're going to spec all the way down to Unending Fury I can't see how it wouldn't be worth putting one more point in to get Titan's Grip.

Also, full prot DPS > arms.

Flawless
15-09-2008, 03:38 PM
In a PVE DPS build would enrage be worth the 5 points now?

Crash
15-09-2008, 03:41 PM
If you mean just for raiding then no, they would go into DW spec / imp. execute / commanding presence.

Faylin
15-09-2008, 03:49 PM
Prot is where the DPS is at ^_^

(Yes I will level with prot.Probably something like this at 72 http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=Li0c0bZZbItbxMdVbIdRGo and then cruelty, etc. Impale should be really good with all specials having a 15% crit chance boost. Allows me to either dual wield or sword/board)

Evilstein
16-09-2008, 05:46 AM
Christ, if Protection is where the DPS is at they're bound to make some MAJOR changes before this goes live.

Otherwise they could just slap a MS debuff to Shield Slam and delete the Arms tree and the Fury tree alltogether...

Valoran
16-09-2008, 07:32 AM
Prot does less dps than the other trees in a sustained situation, but (as with prot vs. ret for paladins), leveling as protection is certainly viable due to a minimisation in the damage taken and various gimmicks (sword and board procs can kill a mob in 5-6 seconds). In terms of "dps", the protection tree offers various abilities which have quite a lot of front-end damage (shield slam, shockwave, revenge) that you can use once or twice per mob, which deal respectable amounts of damage in their own right, but under a sustained dps situation where you're not getting hit, fall behind having a base spammable damage ability. It's only the "burst" from these medium length cooldowns that gives the impression of damage.

The ability to tank instances much more easily can't be overlooked either and I'll certainly be leveling as prot for the first few levels atleast.

Faylin
16-09-2008, 09:00 AM
Add concussion blow to the list of front-end damage, and Shockwave at 12 rage is worth it, even for single targets.
I also loved sword and board so far.

What could make fury viable for levelling tho, is Bloodthirst now healing for a nice amount.

Chou
16-09-2008, 09:24 AM
Blood thirst second wind and blood craze now optainable together -

sounds ... crazeh

Faylin
16-09-2008, 09:50 AM
I think I'll start levelling with something like:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LVMc0bZZVctrxczVbIzsu

With prot specials having such high crit chance, impale looks really sweet.

Flawless
18-09-2008, 03:27 PM
So after the latest changes I'm in a state of D:

I was thinking something like

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=Lhbf0fhZhxeoE0u0xkVzAo

Valoran
18-09-2008, 06:04 PM
Why one point in imp ww, did you even read the tooltip? :D 3/3 imp cleave?

If I had to go for TG (which I'm leaning away from atm), I'd go for this raiding spec:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=Lhbf0fhZhxx0EbubxoVkAo

Flawless
18-09-2008, 06:08 PM
I'll admit I just threw some points in places to get the main structure of the build :p

Aggression
19-09-2008, 07:19 AM
Seems like most warriors are allergic against Titan's Grip now when they nerfed it to 15% less hit on skills with melee weapon. Don't think Blizzard is happy about a 51 point talent that no one wants. So I'm sure they will change it in some way before the live release.

Valoran
19-09-2008, 07:53 AM
Seems like most warriors are allergic against Titan's Grip now when they nerfed it to 15% less hit on skills with melee weapon. Don't think Blizzard is happy about a 51 point talent that no one wants. So I'm sure they will change it in some way before the live release.
The 15% hit penalty is a static penalty that will eventually be overcome by gear. Unlike the percentage haste penalties previously (which got worse the better your gear was), there's a turning point where TG will actually be worth taking. The talent isn't "bad" per se, it's just not worth taking *yet*.

Flawless
19-09-2008, 01:03 PM
It might still change before the end.

Tífa
19-09-2008, 02:30 PM
what you guys are forgeting is, this game is all about looks, and dual wielding zin'rokh and jin'rokh makes you better than others

Vegelus
22-09-2008, 07:17 AM
what you guys are forgeting is, this game is all about looks, and dual wielding zin'rokh and jin'rokh makes you better than others
OR dualwielding Arcanite Reapers!

Chou
22-09-2008, 07:35 AM
what about 12/51/8 ? with +15% crit chance on HS and cleave

Evilstein
22-09-2008, 07:38 AM
Meh, think I'm gonna go Arms instead.
I mean if those oversized two-handers are gonna be Dual Wielded, imagine the size of the NEW twohanders!

http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/263754/Clocktower_of_Brill.html

Bunneh
22-09-2008, 09:17 AM
Kitty Cat Claw is better!

http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/263767/Kitty_Cat_Claw.html

Aggression
23-09-2008, 05:00 PM
The 15% hit penalty is a static penalty that will eventually be overcome by gear. Unlike the percentage haste penalties previously (which got worse the better your gear was), there's a turning point where TG will actually be worth taking. The talent isn't "bad" per se, it's just not worth taking *yet*.

Well, it's true we will get to hit cap rather soon when it comes to Titan's Grip. But damn I feel sorry for the "new dinged" 51 talent warriors that will miss and miss and miss and rage starve, hehe.

But also, they will (probably) need to create new type of gear or more (plate) gear that will fit a Titan's Grip warrior. Doubt we'll see alot of crit/hit/haste together on items and if we will, it will not be to much. If we would hit cap to early then every extra crit or haste would increase our damage alot. Will be intresting to see spreadsheet when hit capped. :)

And just to add. ret-pallys, DK's probably want 2h weapons aswell (and hunters, but really hope they keep polearms made for them). So getting a nice pair of 2h's will suck ball as there is one more class than earlier that want a 2h. :S Not to mention they probably cost more then 1h's for guilds that use DKP like system.

thurlog
23-09-2008, 07:43 PM
just ninja the leather from the rogues

Vegelus
24-09-2008, 08:14 AM
Well, it's true we will get to hit cap rather soon when it comes to Titan's Grip. But damn I feel sorry for the "new dinged" 51 talent warriors that will miss and miss and miss and rage starve, hehe.

But also, they will (probably) need to create new type of gear or more (plate) gear that will fit a Titan's Grip warrior. Doubt we'll see alot of crit/hit/haste together on items and if we will, it will not be to much. If we would hit cap to early then every extra crit or haste would increase our damage alot. Will be intresting to see spreadsheet when hit capped. :)

And just to add. ret-pallys, DK's probably want 2h weapons aswell (and hunters, but really hope they keep polearms made for them). So getting a nice pair of 2h's will suck ball as there is one more class than earlier that want a 2h. :S Not to mention they probably cost more then 1h's for guilds that use DKP like system.

Oh well. Fury warriors did that when TBC raiding started (at least here, seek for old threads with Tsarina and Iyachtu posts about having 15-18% hit with talents) so I don't see any reason why it will be much harder in WoTLK. Yea, 2 newer stats will be present on gear too, but hit (till hit capped) should still give bigger output.


And about huntahs - yea, there are already 2h polearms suited for us, but at some point 1x 2h might be better, like always.

Iyachtu
24-09-2008, 08:33 AM
Being a raiding warrior it was always abit of trouble getting your hands on good weapons.
You compete with rogues and hunters for the one handers, and you compete again with Hunters and paladins for the Two-Handers (cept for maces, when did you last see a hunter with a 2handed mace? olol)

Vegelus
24-09-2008, 08:36 AM
Add enhas to the list too (Gyna!!!).

Rakior
04-10-2008, 06:17 PM
15% penalty is on specials only, white attacks still have the 19% penalty.
So 24% reduced chance to hit with specials and and 28% reduced chance with autoattack on a lvl 73 boss. (compared to todays 9/28 )
Its pritty hard to hit the 345 hitcap at lvl 70 titans grip build, changing crit gems and orange cri/str gems to + 10 hit ones and change boot enchant from 12 agi to 10 hit should land you arround 250-280 (compared to most current fury using 180-210) without messing up gear. From the tests i made imo titans grip its superior to DW 2x 1h (not using top skill in fury treee)
Str gems > hit gems still (ofc depending on current gear) even if not reached hitcap but not so much so its worth losing gem bonus in many cases.

First lvl 70 dps build to test in raid would be imo:

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LbZhxb0E0ubeRVziobI

some minor point changes into furious attack and so on may be wanted depending on boss/raidsetup.

Edit: from tests i see less rage starvation in titans build then in current TBC fury build and when you get the heroic strike glyph i doubt you even have to look at your rage bar anymore

Turiel
04-10-2008, 10:55 PM
Welcome to SSE Rakior :P

Stim
07-10-2008, 11:38 PM
OR dualwielding Arcanite Reapers!

Kinda late but it features:
1 gnome awesomeness
2 dual arcanite reaper awesomeness
So here it is!

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2160/wowscrnshot100808033542bw0.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot100808033542bw0.jpg)http://img508.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Chou
14-10-2008, 12:06 PM
http://thottbot.com/wotlk/warrior/t#nUJ3o1ERXS/j1


Dual wielding dragonstrike and swiftsteel bludgeon ( got french game, err, the fast red mace similar to the syphon! )

Tested and aproved.

Stim
18-10-2008, 12:54 PM
Titan Grip is fucking bugged shit. Yesterday I equipped 16% hit rating and specced 3% in it. Average 5% misses on specials was not fun.

Chou
03-11-2008, 08:34 AM
rampage + leader of the pack = ERROR


anyone can tell me, why the fuck i should even spend a point in this talent ? retarded.

Gwynin
03-11-2008, 11:29 AM
Im proberly gonna go with this spec at 70 for now, alltho Im a bit unsure whether I should put points in maxing DS or CP.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LA0b0fZhE00A0ubeRV0h

Vegelus
03-11-2008, 12:12 PM
rampage + leader of the pack = ERROR


anyone can tell me, why the fuck i should even spend a point in this talent ? retarded.
As there is small chance that this feral buddy (and all his furry friends) won't show at some raid. Or will be away from you offtanking something. Slight chance to happen, yea. And you can respec then. Another thing is solo/lvling/5mans - things not important when raiding.
Some buffs are and will be redundand / doubled in raid, for example +10% AP from enha shammies, MM hunters, DKs and probably a lot of them will still get those talents (don't know about enhas - their talent is 5 pointer).

And for one point it's still nice talent even if a lot of times it's redundand.

Chonar
06-11-2008, 11:56 AM
With the change to Titans Grip last wednesday I ventured deep into the fury tree to check it out. Tossed in some hit gems and went to town.

PVP is a little slice of heaven. I am *destroying* things. It's like the Arcanite Reaper days of old. I think I peed my pants a little when I had a killing spree of 8 KBs. :')

PVE.. unfortunately it still seems the lesser choice. Went from first place as dualwield glaives+deep wounds to third place dualwielding Apolyon + Cataclysm's Edge. :(

Valoran
06-11-2008, 12:04 PM
What did you expect from a build lacking impale? TG is an 80s build, by far.

Chonar
06-11-2008, 12:16 PM
What did you expect from a build lacking impale? TG is an 80s build, by far.

To be fair, the outcome is exactly what I expected it to be. Just saying it's a shame, that's all.

Chou
08-12-2008, 10:40 AM
I stacked hit rating alot as soon as i hit 80 for some titan grip ownage

atm i have around 460, but im still getting 6% miss on white hits in naxx, WTF ?

thurlog
08-12-2008, 11:22 AM
counting that you have:
3/3 precision = 3%
heroic presence from a draenai = 1%
a balance druid with 3/3 faerie fire = 3%

leaves you with 26% to cope with on your white damage.
base miss can't go below 1% (don't know for sure if that's still applicable) leaves you with 25%
25% = 820 hit rating

Chou
08-12-2008, 11:30 AM
counting that you have:
3/3 precision = 3%
heroic presence from a draenai = 1%
a balance druid with 3/3 faerie fire = 3%

leaves you with 26% to cope with on your white damage.
base miss can't go below 1% (don't know for sure if that's still applicable) leaves you with 25%
25% = 820 hit rating


820 ... what ... the ... hell

Vegelus
08-12-2008, 01:56 PM
counting that you have:
3/3 precision = 3%
heroic presence from a draenai = 1%
a balance druid with 3/3 faerie fire = 3%

leaves you with 26% to cope with on your white damage.
base miss can't go below 1% (don't know for sure if that's still applicable) leaves you with 25%
25% = 820 hit rating

Nope
Imp. Fearie Fire does not work for physical skills anymore, only spells:
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33602#comments
Your Faerie Fire spell also increases the chance the target will be hit by spell attacks by 3%, and increases the critical strike chance of your damage spells by 3% on targets afflicted by Faerie Fire.

So add up another 3%

Flawless
08-12-2008, 04:43 PM
Out of interest, how is your guys DPS as fury these days?

Faylin
08-12-2008, 04:48 PM
It's sick.

thurlog
08-12-2008, 08:22 PM
Nope
Imp. Fearie Fire does not work for physical skills anymore, only spells:
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33602#comments


So add up another 3%

i just filled in the new numbers in my lvl 70 sheet :)
thanks for the heads up, prolly read it somewhere but never soaked it in

Eisenheim
09-12-2008, 02:03 AM
Hey, im abit unsure on where to go.

Currently sitting on 3308AP, 299hit, 34.64% crit and im abit unsure on my weapon enchants.

Running around with 2x Runeblade of Demonstrable Power with 85AP on both.

Would it be better to get 2x Titanium Weapon Chain 2x 28 hit rating?

So trade in 170AP for 56 hit rating and thus being very close to the soft hit cap?

halbarad
09-12-2008, 04:02 AM
I stacked hit rating alot as soon as i hit 80 for some titan grip ownage

atm i have around 460, but im still getting 6% miss on white hits in naxx, WTF ?
Needless amount of hit there.

On level ?? mobs i had between 4 to 8% misses. between 20 to 30% glancing. between 35 to 40% crits and the rest normal hits.
That was before my most recent upgrade of Mark of Norgannon so my expertise will be up there.

But in general, i very rarely miss anything in naxx and that was when i was on around 360/370 hit.

Flawless : The dps varies from boss to boss due to the differant styles. Also for me it varies from day to day atm, in worse equipment than i've got now i was hitting around 2.7k. Got better equipment and last nax run i was only around 2.3k. Admittadly i felt like shit, but meh.
Warriors aren't the best dps class out there though still. That's either Mages or Hunters.


Eisenheim : Aye, it would be. You can get more AP from buffs anyway. Best thing would be to focus on getting gear with +hit on though.

Chou
09-12-2008, 12:57 PM
im running between 2200 - 2500 flaw, but im not teh epic geared dps warrior yet. ( altho we have NO paladins in guild - patchwerk was hard, and no bok for teh chou :S )

if i already got too much hit ratin halbarad, why do i get those many misses ?

and btw, i only get near 15% glancing blows in the 4 naxx evening i did, so err, we have quite different stats. my crit rating is near 32% iirc, and i got near 3600 ap buffless, thanks to those 16 str gems everywhere on my stuff.

halbarad
10-12-2008, 02:20 AM
Chou, it's impossible to get rid of that small amount of misses without sacrificing way too much. Getting 5/6% misses on normal attacks is acceptable as far as i'm concerned since you should be doing whatever specials you can as much as you can.
To be fair, 5% can seem like a lot. But considering normal swings will clock maybe 30 to 40% of your total hits in a raid (overall), then take that it's only 5% of normal hits that are misses, it's a small number.

Have to say, would like to look at yer stuff. Just wish armory wasn't getting it's downtime -_-

Chou
15-12-2008, 10:53 AM
i can send ya a link to the armory but if its in french you will have to look for

Cruche on Drek'thar eu server


here is the link $$$$ (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drek%27Thar&n=Cruche)

im not on berzerker stance on the link, so you will have to add 10% ap and 3% crit :)


now having more hit, but with the changes on titan grip, i might want to change the gloves and belt with leather epic versions i have with agi and crit combos, and maybe change the boots for the plate reputation dps ones

Flawless
16-12-2008, 01:52 PM
Those shoulders *twitch*

Faylin
16-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Attack power gems * twitch*

Vegelus
16-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Fury warriors new wotlk hunters?

Saha
17-12-2008, 08:24 AM
$$$$ (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drek%27Thar&n=Cruche)

. my crit rating is near 32% iirc, and i got near 3600 ap buffless, thanks to those 16 str gems everywhere on my stuff.

Ehh?

0 str gems. What the hell is up with your gems anyways? Ohh god, 32 ap minor run speed meta. This is as good as tanks with parry rating gems in tbc.
WTF are you doing with all that hit?
3/3 imp cleave and 3/5 commanding presence?

Chou
17-12-2008, 01:43 PM
Those gems are all i can have, because im giving everything i have to my guild master and she does not have the red STR version. I just forgot about that part when i wrote my first post.
the meta gem is the reward you get trading the shards you loot on bosses when you have the wintergrasp buff, it was at that time the easiest one for me to get before going to bed and i more or less forgot about it. ATM i got the diamond crafted and im looking for a jeweler for the agi/+3% dmg on crit version

also, the 32% crit was before i started to stack the hit rating, getting rid of lether gear with agi+crit rating stats

about my spec, there is nothing wrong when you are farming heroics to get imp cleave when you use the glyph. and well, what do i lose getting 3 points there when you go trought the fury talent tree, chance for +1 rage on attacks ?

the other fury warrior we have in guild has 5/5 imp demo shout, i dont really need those, so i put 2/5 at start for commanding shout, and then another point when the tree was complete. where you want me to put it ?

about the shoulders, i started to level up sons of hodir for the "revered ones" and i did not loot/find any better version than T5

about the hit rating: some peeps keep telling me that its too much, some others tell me it not good enough, that the cap is near 840 or so ... whatever. I just dont like to be rage starved and let my CDs unused for 4 or 5 seconds because i had a double miss on white hits, and now its not happening alot.

feel free to comment

Saha
17-12-2008, 04:28 PM
Hit rating beyond specials soft "cap" is close to useless. Fury warriors in raid environment do about 20-30% of their dmg as white hits. So assume you buff your hit rating by wooping 10%, you'll get a ~3% total dps increase. That's miserable compared to what you could have if you invest in crit/ap. Obviously being some over a soft cap is not bad thing, but stacking for hit is just silly.
Rage starved is not really possible either, with WF totem, flury and some haste you should see your weapon speed between 2 to 2.3 secs. Rage generation is quite mad and according to my knowledge you should be able to do most of your MH attacks as HS while keeping BT/WW on cds.

Considering talents. I don't see why fury warrior should not have 5/5 commanding presence. Cleave is very questionable- DPS on trash doesn't matter, you'll be outdpsed by any aoe class anyways while ensuring maximum raid buffs is good, considering how little buffs warriors bring to the raid these days.

Considering gems, well.. Not your fault I guess. But being over a month into WotLK and not having str gems in guild should be a good hint for you to gtfo from there. After all, its best gem to Warriors, Retradins, DKs and to some extent ferals as far as I know.

halbarad
18-12-2008, 01:18 PM
Just got around to checking the post. Well i have to say i think your hit is excessive. With a recent upgrade i got in Deaths Bite i think my hit is excessive, but i've made a list of gear i want before Ulduar hits and my hit is only going to be at 398.
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&n=Halbarad
is my armor anyway.

Your talents i have to say are rather... unconventional.


Saha, one thing where your wrong is imp commanding presence and imp cleave. First, we all know some raid bosses have trash, where cleave is coming in handy and imp commanding presence, in a good raid group, is useful to give what, an extra 400 or so HP (just saying a rough number). Barely a deciding factor in a fight. Battle Shout isn't as prefered to BoM, never will be.
These two basic facts are making commanding presence less prefered to other talents in a raid now (depending on the actual raid balance/formation). I will say that i was torn between imp dem shout, since that's always useful. But i'd rather do a bit more dps in the long run.
Oh, and TG warriors still bring an extra 5% melee/ranged crit rate when they crit (Edit : the Enrage talent, to be precise)

Also, depends on your crit. Sure, you can look along the lines of "can never have enough crit" but there's also the side of "got enough crit, dont need more". That's what i was on when i put the +ap +run spd gem in. I need to alter it now due to my crit rating dropping with the inclusion of new gear. (admittadly, the 3% damage would have been welcome, always would be)

Either way, in a raid i'm doing a large amount of dps, doing well in general, so i cant be going hugely wrong anywhere. I'm just hoping i can get the gear i want asap.

Chou, if you need someone to cut a gem, just check in /2 every now and then. You cant afford to wait for your guildies. It sounds like they're focusing on learning designs for themselves before learning for the guild as a whole. As Saha said, +str is the best gem in the game for a number of classes.

Ashborn
18-12-2008, 05:44 PM
I'm sorry, but everything you're saying is basically wrong.

Flawless
19-12-2008, 01:18 AM
I love you ashen, please don't leave again :<

aNiMaL
22-12-2008, 01:51 PM
So am I the only nut completely ignoring hit (somewhere around 140 atm) and still dishing out decent dps?
I admit, rage regen is not steady at the start of a fight,
but as soon as I'm ~5sec into the fight I have trouble dumping all my rage.

Just checked wws stats for some numbers,
Sundays Sartharion 25man I had 4K dps, a rare extreme,
usually I'm somewhere around 3k dps (give or take 200 depending on the fight)


[Edit: after some more testing and swapping gear in and out it seems I shouldn't drop lower then 140, starving for rage ftl]

Stim
28-12-2008, 12:57 PM
hit is for tits

Gwynin
28-12-2008, 11:01 PM
Tbh you dont really have to look for +hit, it'll get smash into your face no matter if you like it or not..

Except for the damn crafted 2h mace Ive gotten to a silly amount of 600'ish hitrating without any effort needed, its just the gear that has dropped for me in naxx

Chou
06-03-2009, 07:58 AM
Hey you fury guys


after a long raiding time, im seeing fury warriors with top end gear with very low hit rating compared to mine. So i wonder, do they have that enormous AP and crit that they can make an heroic strike every other hit ?

cause im near 400, ad im not getting enough rage to do it, so i stopped to assume it came from hit

I got some questions -

here is my stuff Link (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drek%27Thar&n=Cruche)

I got the sword from 4 horsemen 10 in my bag link (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39393), and is this one better for me than the craft one? ( or even the one i could loot from naxx 25 trash link (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40406) )

also, for me, which trink should i use ( got them all )
the one from king dred link (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37723)
the one from king ymiron link (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37390)
the one from keristrasza link (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37166)

im not looking to get 500 more dps but i would like to get the best from my stuff

also, i did not take the talent points in fury for less dodge on mobs, because i had already high expertise ( and i will get an expertise gem on the gun soon to replace the PA/hit one i got, in order to reach 6.5% )

also, the T7 gloves, if i get the 2 points back in the talent tree i could get some other ones with more crit and agi like a pair of leather gloves ( if i got too much hit )
same for the bracers

thanks for your time

Iyachtu
06-03-2009, 08:41 AM
Hit cap for specials with 3/3 Prescision is around 160, currently im sitting at 186 hit after recently getting a few upgrades, i still cant simply spam heroiuc strikes non stop, but with an enhancement shammy in the group it's close.
On average on a fight which favours melee and i dont die in face, i can pull around 4.5k dps, which is pretty decent i guess.

Gwynin
06-03-2009, 10:26 AM
Same as iyacht goes for me, alltho I aim for 200 hit just to be different :P


btw iyacht have you gone for mail/leather items or purely plate ?

Tífa
06-03-2009, 12:08 PM
i've got slight more hit than those 2 with 247, don't have any rage problems really unless i get some unlucky double misses very occasinally.
got quite alot of ap, i wana traade some of my crit for ap tho
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&n=Magemasher

Iyachtu
06-03-2009, 04:07 PM
/armory me and find out.
All plate really.