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Palados
02-02-2008, 10:56 AM
In 2.4, Spell Haste will reduce the global cool down on spells, down to a minimum of 1 second. It won't apply to melee and ranged abilities though however.


That makes it a godly stat now, if you look at HPS increase per unit or iLvL. Especially when you have 2000+ healing and good crit %.

Ajial
02-02-2008, 11:06 AM
Was thinking the same when I saw it, I guess it will be worth getting now for youre standard "lolfolspam" gear :) I currently only have 55 haste but I guess i'll up it a bit more when 2.4 comes.

Faylin
02-02-2008, 11:35 AM
That..... certainly changes things.....

Palados
02-02-2008, 01:03 PM
Preliminary calculation on EJ show, that having 2200 +healing and 29% FoL crit chanse, loosy neck from ZA with spirit adds twice more HPS to FoL than previously top neck from Illidari council. It definitely changes things for good geared palas. And adds more variety to gear choises and finer tuning for each encounter needs.

Robinvi
02-02-2008, 01:21 PM
It's from Mother.

But yes, sounds like good new for many classes.

Gud for RoS! And Vael.

Valoran
02-02-2008, 05:04 PM
In 2.4, Spell Haste will reduce the global cool down on spells, down to a minimum of 1 second. It won't apply to melee and ranged abilities though however.


That makes it a godly stat now, if you look at HPS increase per unit or iLvL. Especially when you have 2000+ healing and good crit %.
Before someone asks. You'd need over 700 haste rating to take FoL from a 1.5 to 1 second cast. So you're not capping it too easily.

Rating required to cap FoL= 1570*((1.5/1)-1)
=785.

So yeah, the HPS improvements aren't actually going to be that great on FoL with haste rating, it's just better than it was (which was no improvement at all).

Miniloth
02-02-2008, 05:24 PM
You'd need over 700 haste rating to take FoL from a 1.5 to 1 second cast.


You sure that's a right figure.

I know atm I have a +23 haste and (disregarding the global cool down) my FOL would be 1.47 sec, so that's 23 per 3 seconds, that's +391 haste (approx) unless I'm missing something and after a while the +haste drops?

Valoran
02-02-2008, 05:49 PM
unless I'm missing something and after a while the +haste drops?
It's not directly proportional, no.


new cast time = base cast time / (1+(spell haste rating/1570))

Is the formula I used, and works with other numbers I threw around in game.

Miniloth
02-02-2008, 05:53 PM
Actually I got it wrong its +38 haste I have not 23 so its 38 per 3 secs or approx 13 per 1 sec, so it would be +650 haste.......doh, that will teach me to look first.

Valoran
02-02-2008, 06:43 PM
1570 * ((1.5 / 1.47) - 1) = 32.0408163

According to the formula.

But your reasoning is flawed, it's not directly proportional, as I say.

Palados
03-02-2008, 11:18 AM
Aye, it is not linear. Each 1% haste added makes you cast 1% more spells over some period of time. And it is NOT equal to 1% of speed increase.

To cast 50% more spells, speed of casting should be 33,(3)% faster. Not 50%.

Palados
03-02-2008, 11:20 AM
And if you look directly into it, haste is simply HPS increase, that is not capped for palas anymore. 1% haste is 1% more HPS. As soon as you have enough mana and mana restore to not go oom, haste is most effective stat to go now (after some gear lvl, that should be around T5/ZA gear I think).

Palados
03-02-2008, 11:24 AM
Here are some extimates for FoL HPS from EJ (2200 +heal assumed and 29% crit chanse for FoL):

[Dawnsteel Bracers] : 154.34
[Blessed Adamantite Bracers] : 92.47

[Dawnsteel Shoulders] : 202.36
[Lightbringer Pauldrons] : 126.17 (more if you use 22heal gems)

[Girdle of Lordaeron's Fallen] : 192.9
[Girdle of Stromgarde's Hope] : 129.01

[Handguards of the Templar] : 158.53
[Lightbringer Gloves] : 119.17 (more if you use better hps gloves than T6)

[Brooch of Nature's Mercy] : 180.27
[Nadina's Pendant of Purity] : 84.39

[Shroud of the Highborne] : 169.98
[Cloak of Ancient Rituals] : 131.45
[Shroud of the Final Stand] : 72.47

[Dark Blessing] : 525.62
[Hammer of Atonement] : 451.09

[Blessed Band of Karabor] 20, 30, 73: 168
[Ring of Calming Waves] : 74.40 (similar hps to MH ring)