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Panzerchwali
23-08-2007, 08:05 AM
I started playing warrior. Everything is ok, I'm leveling him and started to be confused. My main problems are weapons. I prefer 2h axes. Now I was wandering which of the 2 below is more lethal in arms spec ofc.

Whirlwind Axe -> http://www.thottbot.com/i6975

or

Fiery War Axe -> http://www.thottbot.com/i870

I konw that dps is not all. How to compare weapon with lower dps but significant str boost to the one with higher dps but no str,sta or agi at all? Plz help!

Gwynin
23-08-2007, 08:21 AM
well alltho the fiery axe is a bit too fast for my preference, I would still take that one and use some money for a proper enchant on it

Panzerchwali
23-08-2007, 08:25 AM
Thanks for the answer but you missed my point. I still don't know how to calculate str to dps and so on. When I reach 70 I will still have the same problem but with diferent weapons like

Apexis Cleaver and Crystalforged War Axe

I was a hunter for a long time and I must switch to warrior like seeing weapons;)

Vegelus
23-08-2007, 08:36 AM
http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Strength
http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Attack_Power

http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Formulas_and_Game_Mechanics

Something like that. And about that weapons - I was using Whirlwind Axe - You can get it earlier, with little help, no need to spend money. But soon after I've started using DW (doing SM/RFD quests brings You nice swords tbh). Also there are two other nice 2h axes that You can get from SM: Bonebiter and Ravager. Imo no point in spending money on Fiery War Axe (even it is just a day of farming) if You don't have it already.

Stim
23-08-2007, 08:37 AM
7str=14ap=1 dps
1 dps tranlsates in damage by muiltplying by your weapon speed. i.e. 1 dps= 3.8 damage (add to lower and higher brackets) on 3.8 speed weapon. After that multiply by your talents increase (2h weapon specialisation) x5% or how much is it.

Panzerchwali
23-08-2007, 08:39 AM
Great thanks Veg. Once again I owe you one;)

Tsarina
23-08-2007, 11:40 AM
I prefer 2h axes.
You are well on your way to win the game.

Panzerchwali
23-08-2007, 01:01 PM
I don't get it tbh :?

Tsarina
23-08-2007, 01:06 PM
There's nothing to get. I mean exactly what I say. It's not a joke, it's not sarcasm, it's not "something else". To quote my signature: This is this.

Panzerchwali
23-08-2007, 01:09 PM
Ok, thanks for clearing it out.

Iyachtu
23-08-2007, 03:48 PM
Gotta say ive always liked 2 handed axes aswell.
Altho, im currenltly playing with the idea of getting the season two 2handed arena mace.

Chopper
23-08-2007, 03:59 PM
Some big fucking axes you may enjoy:

Arcanite Reaper
"A marvel of modern society". When you Mortal Strike something with this, it stays Mortally Stricken.

Dark Edge of Insanity
This Dark Edge is clearly insane. Notable users are the dwarf, Chonar, and the human, Iyachtuxvim, neither of whom are notable for their sanity.

Gorehowl
This is Grommash "Grom" Hellscream's axe. This is the weapon that Hellscream used to slay the Pit Lord, Mannoroth the Destructor, using a move that can only be likened to one-shotting Magtheridon with a 2.5M damage Mortal Strike.

Malakali
23-08-2007, 04:19 PM
Notable users are the dwarf, Chonar, and the human, Iyachtuxvim, neither of whom are notable for their sanity.

its so true and your sig wins

<3

Gwynin
24-08-2007, 03:03 PM
meh I wanna kill c'thun :(


and I swear its NOT for the tentacle!

Stim
27-08-2007, 07:42 AM
Some big fucking axes you may enjoy:

Arcanite Reaper
"A marvel of modern society". When you Mortal Strike something with this, it stays Mortally Stricken.

Dark Edge of Insanity
This Dark Edge is clearly insane. Notable users are the dwarf, Chonar, and the human, Iyachtuxvim, neither of whom are notable for their sanity.

Gorehowl
This is Grommash "Grom" Hellscream's axe. This is the weapon that Hellscream used to slay the Pit Lord, Mannoroth the Destructor, using a move that can only be likened to one-shotting Magtheridon with a 2.5M damage Mortal Strike.

You forgot to mention Pendulum of Doom, best twink axe with 4.00 speed (I've personally never seen) of doom which is approved for brutal l39 rapage Pendulum of Doom

Flawless
27-08-2007, 12:38 PM
I thought only Horde could get that?

Gwynin
27-08-2007, 03:38 PM
boe drop in uldaman ? so everyone can get it I gues ? :D

Panzerchwali
28-08-2007, 09:38 AM
I don't want to start new thread so here's my question. What's the best enchant for a warrior on a 2h axe in your opinion ofc? Let's say for a leveling warrior (31lvl) and 70lvl.

Chopper
28-08-2007, 09:59 AM
For a levelling warrior, I would just get a cheap +5 or +7 damage enchant.

You're not interested in maximum damage and optimal performance, you just want to kill stuff and finish quests, so it's okay to be economical. You're also going to upgrade weapons at a reasonable frequency, so it's better to get something you don't mind losing in 5 levels or so. You may want to try Crusader at least once around level 60 though, because it rocks.

Prior to TBC, the enchant of choice for a warrior 2h was Crusader, but this diminishes in potency from level 60 to level 70. For an endgame/70 warrior, you want either Savagery or Mongoose. In long-term performance, there is reportedly little between them, but Mongoose is a crapload more expensive. The majority of warriors (including myself) choose Savagery.

Panzerchwali
05-09-2007, 01:22 PM
Thanks for info. Now I'm using Whirlwind Axe which is quite nice I must say. I checked wowhead for next good axe but I really can't find anything:( When did you upgraded your Whirlwind weapon for somethin better?

Tsarina
05-09-2007, 01:47 PM
I used WW axe til I got Executioner's Cleaver and I kept that one all the way til AR. Not perfect, but good enough for leveling.

Rey
05-09-2007, 02:56 PM
Ww axe -> kang the decapitator -> AR here
I lvled in wg so it was perfect :p

Panzerchwali
06-09-2007, 09:24 AM
I think I'll go for Executioner's Cleaver. I'll put savagery on and I'll walk with it through The Dark Portal;) Thanks again for info.

Chopper
06-09-2007, 09:26 AM
Rage Reaver awaits you in Outland.

This is a reward from one of the first quests you'll do at Honor Hold.

Panzerchwali
06-09-2007, 09:43 AM
Thanks, I remember I had it on my hunter:) tbh there's tons of axes in Outlands, but only a few good ones in Azeroth.

Edit:

But as soon as I reach 60 I'm taking this baby --> Blade of Misfortune. Just for one time I'll pick a sword. After that I'm switching back to axes.

Stim
06-09-2007, 10:08 AM
Blade of Misfortune
Got 2 of them, on for use and second was sold to a group member for ridicoulously low price while we were doing Ramparts whole day. l60 item of win.

Panzerchwali
06-09-2007, 01:54 PM
btw can i put savagery on Executioner's Cleaver? It's over 35lvl so it should be doable :?

Gwynin
06-09-2007, 02:08 PM
Yes you can, min lvl is always 35 for high lvl enchants (atleast those I know of)

Azy
07-09-2007, 12:21 AM
WW Sword > Executioner's Cleaver > Kang the Decapitator > Arcanite Reaper for me

Panzerchwali
07-09-2007, 06:36 AM
Can I just ask why did you change Executioner's Cleaver for Kang the Decapitator ?

According to my math EC is better than KtD.

1str gives 2AP
14AP = 1DPS
The overall dps from str/AP added to weapon's dps i s counted: AP * weapon's speed /14

In that case EC has 23str*2=46AP 46AP*3,80/14=12,48DPS
41,8 (base EC dps) + 12,4 = 54,2 DPS ---> Kang has only 47,4 DPS

Is the proc from wounding enemy that high to change EC fot KoD?

Gwynin
07-09-2007, 10:40 AM
Never had Kang so dunno, but I guess its a combo of the proc + the higher damage range

Azy
07-09-2007, 01:21 PM
Can I just ask why did you change Executioner's Cleaver for Kang the Decapitator ?

According to my math EC is better than KtD.

1str gives 2AP
14AP = 1DPS
The overall dps from str/AP added to weapon's dps i s counted: AP * weapon's speed /14

In that case EC has 23str*2=46AP 46AP*3,80/14=12,48DPS
41,8 (base EC dps) + 12,4 = 54,2 DPS ---> Kang has only 47,4 DPS

Is the proc from wounding enemy that high to change EC fot KoD?


Its not much of a change, but since I got the axe for free I couldn't help myself.

Anyways, what Gwynin said

Über
07-09-2007, 01:24 PM
It's epic, or atleast that used to be a good enough reason back, back in the day.

Fuck the math, it's PURPELZ!

Panzerchwali
07-09-2007, 01:33 PM
I'm colorblind so I don't give a s*** about the purpelz;)

Chopper
07-09-2007, 01:44 PM
Fuck the math, it's PURPELZ!
That must have been going through the mind of the hunter I spotted in Alterac Valley this weekend just passed.

Mongoose'd Singing Crystal Axe ftw!

Gwynin
07-09-2007, 01:49 PM
well no wonder we call em huntards

Logar
07-09-2007, 02:03 PM
Can I just ask why did you change Executioner's Cleaver for Kang the Decapitator ?

According to my math EC is better than KtD.

1str gives 2AP
14AP = 1DPS
The overall dps from str/AP added to weapon's dps i s counted: AP * weapon's speed /14

In that case EC has 23str*2=46AP 46AP*3,80/14=12,48DPS
41,8 (base EC dps) + 12,4 = 54,2 DPS ---> Kang has only 47,4 DPS

Is the proc from wounding enemy that high to change EC fot KoD?

Erm... so (Damage / second) * second = Damage / second still, at least according to your calculations ;P what you calculated there was average increase in damage per hit, and added that to DPS.

Example of calculating your way: My Shammy has 1274 AP. His mainhand weapon DPS is 92,1 and speed is 2.6. 1274*2,6/14 + 92,1= 328,7 And that's supposed to be DPS ;P

In reality the DPS increase is just AP/14. And thus my shammy has 183,1 (92,1 + 1274/14) DPS in his mainhand untalented.

Yes, DPS difference even with right math is quite small (about 2,5 in favour od KtD), so it's more of 10 hit rating vs proc. And cost ofc.

Panzerchwali
07-09-2007, 08:56 PM
Ok I may be wrong here. SO tell me the right formulae to calculate advantage for MA warrior from str on weapon please.

Let's say one axe has 40dps and the other has 37dps but also +15str. How to calculate that?

Stim
10-09-2007, 10:50 AM
You counted not dps but damage. Dps gain is ap/14, damage gain is dps*speed
15str=30ap
30/14=2.1dps
40>39.1
As for axes, counting TOP DAMAGE (pvp matter) we are not caring about dps tbh: EC 191 base, plus 46 ap/14*3.8 speed=12.5, 191+12.5=203.5
203.5<205
So, in the end of the day EC hits weaker on instant hit BUT harded on non-instant hits (due to slower speed). Bleed proc is good for palas or maybe shaman. But 10 hit rating affects all your attacks. Also CtD faster speed allows for greater gain with +damage enchants and sharpening stones. AND IT'S PURPLE FFS!!!

Panzerchwali
11-09-2007, 06:33 PM
Thanks for clearing me out the math:) I got EC for 18g BO on AH last evening so I don't give a s*** about Kang no more^^. It's waiting in a bank with savagery on it till I hit 43lvl. Still 5 to go:(