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Arjen
28-07-2007, 02:43 PM
I'm getting a mate to build a new PC and was wondering what's better these days (as healing Mojo takes too much power cos he sucks).

I thought Intel had kinda clawed its way back but people seem to be saying that AMD are still way better?

Not sure and some advice here would be much appreciated.

Flawless
28-07-2007, 03:15 PM
Each has its pros and cons.

However that said, if you are capable of overclocking, any monkey can do it. I'd get this

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/search/?qfind=Q6600&x=0&y=0

had a recent price drop and easily the best processor to overclock atm.

How much cash you got to spend on this anyway?

Faylin
28-07-2007, 03:35 PM
Intel is the way to go these days. Pretty much every quality workstation is equipped with it these days.
AMD -for now- is back to being the budget option again.

Take for example this dutch review site: http://tweakers.net/reviews/702/1
uses AMd for the budget system and Intel for the other 3 systems.

Arjen
28-07-2007, 03:37 PM
I'm looking round about a grand to spend, Flawless, on the whole machine.

tbh I was tempted to save the hassle and just get a custom made one off Mesh, but still weighing up my options.

Flawless
28-07-2007, 04:02 PM
Ok then, here it is
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http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/124869

Processor- q6600
Price- £173
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http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(17917)Gigabyte-motherboard-GAP35DS4-P35-Intel-Express.aspx

Motherboard- Gigabyte ds4: I recently got this and it really is good. Good for overclocking again, and future proofed for intels new p35 processors (Penryn)

Price-£107
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http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(14777)Geil-Ultra-DDR2-20GB-PC6400-Dual-Channel.aspx

Ram- Geil Ultra 6400: I've heard a lot of good things about this, its not too expensive, is a good overclocker and is quick.

Price-£62
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http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4H76&CategorySelectedId=11137&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11137,48070000,4294954406

Gfx Card- BFG 8800GTS 320:

Price-£203
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http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4B0M&PageMode=1

Power supply- Corsair 520 watt: This one is the one of the best on the market, not only this but it also will supply your entire system easily and best of all : I have one

Price-£68
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http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=44WV&CategorySelectedId=11154&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11154,45560000,12

Hard drive- Samsung T133 Not much to say, its big, cheap and reliable.

Price-£55
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http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4J7W&PageMode=1

DVD Drive- Samsung: This one is cheap, reliable, has a basic version of nero, rewriter, lightscribe and most important- SATA. No IDE cables ftw.

Price-£20
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http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=4J66&CategorySelectedId=11117&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11117,11,4294960287,50550&InMerch=1

Keyboard- Logitech G11: It's not the G15 which is a little out of your price bracket, but for 15 quid extra is a good buy. However it is the next best thing- Good for gaming, has macros and looks cool.

Price-£36
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http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/124897/rb/0

Screen- LG 192WS: Very good for the price, good response rate, good resolution, and LG are renowned for reliability.

Price-£118
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http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/92986/rb/0

Speakers- Logitech S200 OEM: These are very good for the price, bit of a sacrifice but the hardware is more important in my opinion. They look nice, have a subwoofer and from what I've heard are really good.

Price-£18
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http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4DF8&CategorySelectedId=11168&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11168,49030000

Operating System- Vista Home Premium OEM: Not much to say really, its OEM which means that you have to do a bit more to get it authorised again if you add a new motherboard, because its meant for one use system builders. But its very cheap and can be authorised more than once.

Price-£68
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http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/105489

Mouse- Logitech MX400: A good mouse for your budget, its easily upgradeable so doesn't have to be forever, for the moment it's fine however.

Price-£24
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Overall cost £899 pounds excluding shipping, which will be about 15 quid.

However I would also recommend these, about 30 quid more overall and very worth it.

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http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=3W44&CategorySelectedId=11140&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11140&InMerch=1


Sound Card- Creative Soundblaster Audigy OEM: A cheap soundcard, but you will still notice the difference between this and onboard sound.

Price-£16
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=AC-000-AC

Thermal Compound- Arctic Silver 5: You put this on your processor to keep it cool, I would recommend it , especially if overclocking.

Price-£7
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-017-AR&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=821

CPU Cooler- Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7: This is a CPU cooler, I would recommend it if you intend to overclock, otherwise ignore it.

Price-£18
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Overall Price-£993

Arjen
28-07-2007, 04:08 PM
many thanks for that. :)

Flawless
28-07-2007, 04:11 PM
Its a great PC for that budget, one thing tho, I forgot a case ¬_¬

Arjen
28-07-2007, 04:15 PM
I'd probably use my old one anyway.

Also I already have a keyboard and mouse sorted. :P Cheers for the rest tho.

Flawless
28-07-2007, 04:30 PM
i'd suggest a new one, to keep it cool etc.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/112659/rb/0 - £50.78

Antec Solo Quiet Mini Tower Case - Piano Black/Silver - No PSU -

Case fans (92mm) - £7.04 each (you can fit two in the antec solo)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-028-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=820

Case fan (120mm) - £11.74
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-024-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=4

Edit,

I wouldn't recommend Vista primarily if you want it to be the ready and running in minimal time, vista still has alot of compatability issues, best get Xp32bit edition, its currently still the best.

Faylin
28-07-2007, 04:41 PM
Antec makes great cases, though I'd go for the Sonata. Includes fan and PSU too. Makes for a great, cool, quiet PC.

Flawless
28-07-2007, 04:43 PM
never use a PSU with a case, they're more than likely shit, cheap etc. the one I recommend is by far the best and will easily power it.

Faylin
28-07-2007, 04:47 PM
No, it;s not shit.

You should probably know that antec is pretty known for their PSU's aswell. I've owned a Sonata for a long time, and it's a great PSU.

edit:
http://hardwarelogic.com/news/63/ARTICLE/1445/5/2007-07-16.html

Awrethien
28-07-2007, 06:09 PM
I would recommend buying from the US... as obviously its cheaper.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp?WishId=705FDD23-B5B7-4026-836C-712E97105A4E&Desc=Ross%20Computer

I put this together for somebody else... but i suppose it would help here also.

Altogether it works out at $1090 which is about £540. And thats including the monitor, that you don't need i guess. Only problem is you would need to buy a UK power supply, as the one that comes with that case is American and probably won't work in the UK.

I don't really know much about power supplies, but: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=408083
seems like a good choice.

Flawless
28-07-2007, 06:11 PM
for PSU's you need to make sure you have enough power for it to supply all your components.

as for ordering from the US, its fine if you get a reputable dealer, but returns and anything that goes wrong is a real pain in the ass, or so I've been told to get fixed.

Slashy
29-07-2007, 10:48 AM
oook.. 1st of all.. def intel.. amd have just released info on their new chips which will apparently wipe the floor with intel.. but they wont be out till 2009 (not the upcoming quad cores.. newer ones)

2 problems there tho.. 320mb gpu is pointless.. with crysis and other new dx10 games coming out soon.. textures in the games are so large you need at least 512mb to run at any good settings.. even doom3 and other old games take up 512mb on highest settings.. so stick with a gts640mb if yr running up to 1600ish resolutions.. if yr running a 32" tv go for a gtx.. ultra is a waste of money.. just OC the gtx
but.. id hold back on making a pc now.. since in december the next generation dx10 cards are released.. g92.. said they would be twice as powerful.. if not more.. than the ultra

if yr gna buy a quad core.. and overclock it.. yr gna need way more than that Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7.. go for a Tuniq Tower.. Thermalright ultra 120 extreme.. or zalman 9700led if you want flashy colours >.>
thats if you want air.. if yr seriously gna overclock a quad core.. air wont be good enough.. go for water cooling.. build yr own or research kits

its not worth buying that psu.. may aswell futureproof it with new hardware coming out soon..
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-064-TT
thermaltake toughpower 750w.. im using it.. its modular.. easy cable management.. 4 12V rails.. only £30 more

Faylin
29-07-2007, 10:56 AM
Yep, and that's how people pay too much for their gfx cards and PSU's, by letting people scare em and think they need at least 7 gig RAM on their card (which they don;t) and at least 7megawatt on their PSU (which they don't).

Friend of mine makes professional workstations, they actually test the power consumption of their systems, and really, they don;t use 750 watt. The only reason people are advised to take a big PSU is because the crap brands don't actually deliver what is one the package, all the proper brands do. As for "just 30 pounds", thats a lot of money for something you don't actually need.

Slashy
29-07-2007, 11:14 AM
i said FUTUREPROOFING >.> and thats one of the best psu's you can get for that price.. and you DO need that much with the new processors and gpus coming out.. and when overclocking..

how am i scaring ppl about hte gfx card?

320mb is nowhere near enough these days.. unlessy yr playing on 1024x768 or something stupidly low like that.. if doom3 can use 512mb.. then how is it gna run with crysis and the other new games coming out? you will need to go SLI just to cope with texture sizes.. its cheaper to buy a 640mb..

"on GRAW2, you cant enable high textures unless you edit some configs, and when you do, there is quite a performance hit (vs the 640mb) and that is even on the resolution im playing at (1440x900)"

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=232803

read that thread..

professional workstations are usually worse than gaming desktops.. as they dont have high end gpus in them

Arjen
29-07-2007, 12:46 PM
:/ tbh the only game I really play on my PC is wow - which is currently struggling hence the need for a change.

Any other games I have my PS3 for ('cept FPS-types, of course, but I rarely play those these days). Ideally I need the PC just for Wow and for my job which is simply basic Office/Internet use. Nothing too major and so I don't need to overclock it or anything.

Ideally, a stable machine that runs a nice-looking Wow is what I'm looking for.

Flawless
29-07-2007, 03:31 PM
The one I spec'd would do it. Its a good machine for the price and your requirements.


...f yr gna buy a quad core.. and overclock it.. yr gna need way more than that Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7. thats not a case... idiot.

shows how much you know ¬_¬

Arjen
29-07-2007, 03:44 PM
The one I spec'd would do it. Its a good machine for the price and your requirements.


Cheers for all this. It's opened my eyes to certain things I wouldn't have looked at before and those were some great recommendations (incidentally, the G15 keyboard's £48 on shopmagenta.com, so I might grab that :P).

I just found out though that a mate works for Mesh Computers so he's gonna sort something out for me.

Out of the PC-builders out there, Mesh is one of the very few that are actually good, I've heard. So I'll see what he can sort out too.

Faylin
29-07-2007, 04:30 PM
professional workstations are usually worse than gaming desktops.. as they dont have high end gpus in them

I was talking about systems with dual 8800s and 5 HDD's in em >.>

What Flaw said: what he picked is great for a WoW system. Don't buy more then you need, no such thing as futureproof PC.

Slashy
29-07-2007, 07:54 PM
The one I spec'd would do it. Its a good machine for the price and your requirements.


... thats not a case... idiot.

shows how much you know ¬_¬

and how is the arctic cooling freezer pro a case?

shows how much you know ¬_¬

heres a pic of it..

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Sources/Arctic_Cooling_Freezer_64_PRO/Images/f64_front.jpg

good luck getting all yr components in that :O

and if yr just playing wow.. id save yr money n buy 7800 or something.. 8xxx is pointless.. you can pretty much plug in a pack of rice crispies n get good performance on wow

Slashy
29-07-2007, 08:02 PM
also id like to add.. 8800 ultra sli.. an intel core 2 extreme qx6850 3ghz kentsfield core pc with those 5 hd's you mentioned.. according to an online wattage calculator will need around 700 watts to run.. this isnt including the monitors..

overclock the qx6850 to 4.1ghz (would need water cooling obviously) will run to about 825watts..

thats without oc'ing the ultras (which can be done.. even if it is pointless for anything but benchmarking)

Faylin
29-07-2007, 08:21 PM
also id like to add.. 8800 ultra sli.. an intel core 2 extreme qx6850 3ghz kentsfield core pc with those 5 hd's you mentioned.. according to an online wattage calculator will need around 700 watts to run.. this isnt including the monitors..

Thing is, they don't need that. In 3d mode it was using just over 300. (Not that I'd recommend using a 300W PSU but you get the point, these things are hugely exagerated. The tested system didn;t have ultras and a somewhat lower CPU model though, but also a big ass Matrox card in it.)

Also, a monitor? :s

Slashy
29-07-2007, 08:58 PM
sorry was being retarded a second >.> i didnt mean monitors.. i was just reading a forum about monitors n typed what i was thinking at the time >.> i meant case fans :P assuming its a half decent case with a fan that is

Valoran
29-07-2007, 09:09 PM
Thing is, they don't need that. In 3d mode it was using just over 300. (Not that I'd recommend using a 300W PSU but you get the point, these things are hugely exagerated. The tested system didn;t have ultras and a somewhat lower CPU model though, but also a big ass Matrox card in it.)

Also, a monitor? :s
They'll likely peak at 700W. You don't ever want your system to require more power than you can supply.

Alverion
29-07-2007, 09:16 PM
Completely avoiding the conversation at hand (because Flawless pretty much closed the thread in 1 post), reading Slashy's posts make my eyes bleed.

Slashy
29-07-2007, 09:19 PM
and yr post was far more constructive wasnt it.. no.. no it wasnt

Kabhanda
29-07-2007, 10:07 PM
You may be hot slash, but you still need to learn to spell.

Slashy
29-07-2007, 11:31 PM
rofl.. im just lazy.. sorry ;[ i can spell fine if i put some effort into it.. grammar will cost sexytimes tho

Kabhanda
29-07-2007, 11:37 PM
I'm willing to cover that cost.

Slashy
29-07-2007, 11:47 PM
its pretty bad grammar too.. much sex is needed!

Decebalus
30-07-2007, 09:05 AM
just a note about the OS...

currently i buy Vista OEM for the computers at work but i have the option to downgrade to XP by sending a mail to Microsoft support...

this way i can use XP until they solve the Vista compatibility problems and then i can switch to Vista whenever i want... for no additional cost...

Hongten
30-07-2007, 09:10 AM
INTEL
i switched intel from AMD...
Amd just Fail ... difference is huge.

Slashy
30-07-2007, 10:23 AM
decebalus.. alot of the compatibility problems are fixed now in vista.. not sure about work.. but for games its fine.. ive been running it for months.. the last lot of beta nvidia drivers have fixed pretty much everything and they are still improving them.. id never switch back to xp

Robinvi
30-07-2007, 10:39 AM
Best option is to "dualwield" XP and Vista imo :P

Kinshara
30-07-2007, 10:50 AM
INTEL
i switched intel from AMD...
Amd just Fail ... difference is huge.

Meh.. Intel currently have better single thread performance when everything fits in the cache; Amd pull ahead when you have to hit main memory frequently and the prefetcher isn't good enough.

Multithreaded.... very much depends on the workload.

I'd recommend intel right now, but either is decent.

2008/2009 will start to get pretty interesting though, with CSI finally out for intel. Hope they do something about the power hungry FBDIMMS as well :/

Hongten
30-07-2007, 11:10 AM
Meh.. Intel currently have better single thread performance when everything fits in the cache; Amd pull ahead when you have to hit main memory frequently and the prefetcher isn't good enough.

Multithreaded.... very much depends on the workload.

I'd recommend intel right now, but either is decent.

2008/2009 will start to get pretty interesting though, with CSI finally out for intel. Hope they do something about the power hungry FBDIMMS as well :/

I had a dual core AMD 4300+ CPU 8800GTX and Asus A8nSli MB 2GB memory , switched to 6600 Dual core intel Asus P5B MB. The OS is Vista.
What i got was +30 fps in Shatrah and always 60 fps in raid, sometimes falling to 48 but not less.
30 fps in full size fraps 1680*1050 resolution.
Its just so different from AMD.

Kinshara
30-07-2007, 11:30 AM
I was referring to what the chips are capable of with appropriate hardware, and I did say that they favoured different types of workload. Core2 is currently better for most games, since they're still heavily dependent on single thread performance. By the time that changes both manufacturers will have released new products.

I also said I'd recommend intel for now. Just figured I'd mention that AMD isn't quite as bad as you said originally -- it always depends on the components making up the entire system, and what you run on it.

Celinde
30-07-2007, 11:46 AM
I'll hijack this thread a bit.
I'm buying a new computer and I would love some comments on the parts I plan to get.

-Cooler Master chassi, Tagan 700W nätagg. Asus P5N32-SLI motherboard
-Intel Core 2 EXTREME QX6850 Quad Core 3.0GHz 2x4MB CACHE FSB1333 Boxed
-A-DATA 4x1024MB DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz
- Asus Extreme GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB DDR3 TV-out HDTV DUAL DVI SLI-ready RETAIL PCI Express
-Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer – Fatal1ty Professional Retail

Basically I'm taking a template from an on line store and modifying it a tad, and I don't really know if the cooling is enough or if there should be any other problems with it except that I'm going to attempt Vista.

If anyone have some comments on this system I'd appreciate it.

Flawless
30-07-2007, 03:55 PM
Wow, I feel better now. Thanks \o.

Flawless
30-07-2007, 04:00 PM
I'll hijack this thread a bit.
I'm buying a new computer and I would love some comments on the parts I plan to get.

-Cooler Master chassi, Tagan 700W nätagg. Asus P5N32-SLI motherboard
-Intel Core 2 EXTREME QX6850 Quad Core 3.0GHz 2x4MB CACHE FSB1333 Boxed
-A-DATA 4x1024MB DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz
- Asus Extreme GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB DDR3 TV-out HDTV DUAL DVI SLI-ready RETAIL PCI Express
-Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer – Fatal1ty Professional Retail

Basically I'm taking a template from an on line store and modifying it a tad, and I don't really know if the cooling is enough or if there should be any other problems with it except that I'm going to attempt Vista.

If anyone have some comments on this system I'd appreciate it.Can you link where you're planning on buying the components?

Ñightrain
30-07-2007, 04:48 PM
if yr gna buy a quad core.. and overclock it.. yr gna need way more than that Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7.. go for a Tuniq Tower.. Thermalright ultra 120 extreme.. or zalman 9700led if you want flashy colours >.>

... thats not a case... idiot.

shows how much you know ¬_¬

and how is the arctic cooling freezer pro a case?

shows how much you know ¬_¬


"Tuniq Tower.. Thermalright ultra 120 extreme.. or zalman 9700led", You do realise the Tuniq Tower isn't a case right? :P

http://images.tomshardware.com/2005/06/07/10_mammoth_cpu_coolers/tuniq_tower.jpg

SLASHY: "THE TUNIQ TOWER ISN'T A FUCKING CASE, TRY GETTING YOUR COMPONENTS INTO THAT"

Edit: I misread his post ^_____^

Flawless
30-07-2007, 05:20 PM
Point taken, I got owned :<

Ill just blame is on his typing.


and you do not need that unless your doign SERIOUS overclocking.¬_¬

slash should work for alienware, I hear they build overpriced computers also.

Celinde
30-07-2007, 05:32 PM
Can you link where you're planning on buying the components?

Here (http://www.datorbutiken.com/home/default.aspx?Product=DBPCSPEL11)

Thing is, it's a Swedish store, this should be a direct link to the computer, although unmodified at this point. If you got any questions I'll try to provide you with the information you need.

Slashy
30-07-2007, 08:17 PM
alienware are waaaaaaaay overpriced.. when i built my pc.. it was top of the range stuff at the time (couple of months ago).. cost me £1000 (ebay ftw)... from them it would have cost £3500.. pieces of shite tbh.. and they use the ololageia physics cards waste of space.. everyone hates my typing.. apart from khlysti.. coz it means free secks

also.. dont build a new pc now.. wait until september.. buy an 8800gts 640 or gtx from EVGA.. then when the 9800s are released use their <1month step up programme to get a free 9800 gts/gtx

Slashy
30-07-2007, 08:20 PM
Ill just blame is on his typing.

selfowned!

it*

/dance!

also.. were you the warrior i traded that bop trinket in the lockbox too back in ye olde AB days? oh how i regretted that ;[

Faylin
30-07-2007, 08:25 PM
Slashy, fuck off.

Slashy
30-07-2007, 08:26 PM
wtf? what for? lol

zanzanexpo
30-07-2007, 08:43 PM
I'll hijack this thread a bit.
I'm buying a new computer and I would love some comments on the parts I plan to get.

-Cooler Master chassi, Tagan 700W nätagg. Asus P5N32-SLI motherboard
-Intel Core 2 EXTREME QX6850 Quad Core 3.0GHz 2x4MB CACHE FSB1333 Boxed
-A-DATA 4x1024MB DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz
- Asus Extreme GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB DDR3 TV-out HDTV DUAL DVI SLI-ready RETAIL PCI Express
-Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer – Fatal1ty Professional Retail

Basically I'm taking a template from an on line store and modifying it a tad, and I don't really know if the cooling is enough or if there should be any other problems with it except that I'm going to attempt Vista.

If anyone have some comments on this system I'd appreciate it.


Thats an excellent machine, but you might wanna throw away 1 RAM stick, I'm assuming you'll be in xp32bit or vista 32bit, 32bit cant address more then 3.5 gig of ram, and XP above 2.5gig mark begins to act funny.
For Wow it will be a complete overkill, that CPU[notice the EXTREME] is made for overclocking, I wouldnt bother with Quads for now as the majority of programs are not optimized for 2 cores, let alone 4 - by the time Quads will be a 'must have' this one will be weak, I'd go for a Dual Core, something like E6750.

Cooling is always sufficent unless you live somewhere with +35c ambiet[..like me!], the stock cooling is good on both the GFX/CPU and even allows you to do a little overclocking.
That still means you need good air circulation in your case, and throwing 10 fans inside doesnt count :)

If it was for me, I'd wait with the GFX untill the next generation comes[December afaik], in the minor amount of DX10 games even the Ultra doesnt perform well, you'll barely get 30-35 fps in Call of Juraz, my advice to you is save the money and get a good DX9 card such as X1950XT or 7900GTS.

As Beatus said, no such thing futureproof computer - dont even try making one, just buy something within your budget that will satisfy you for what your doing in the present.

Slashy
30-07-2007, 08:53 PM
Thats an excellent machine, but you might wanna throw away 1 RAM stick, I'm assuming you'll be in xp32bit or vista 32bit, 32bit cant address more then 3.5 gig of ram, and XP above 2.5gig mark begins to act funny.

thats including the video ram too iirc.. with a quad core processor theres no point in using 32bit vista either.. the 64bit will be faster with it

zanzanexpo
30-07-2007, 09:06 PM
Yes it does, and I wouldnt go near 64bit OS anytime soon, allot of programs dont work as they should in 64bit, drivers are shit etc...

Slashy
30-07-2007, 09:40 PM
im on the 64bit version and everything works fine for me

Flawless
31-07-2007, 12:25 AM
All games are made using 32bit technology atm using 64 means it has to emulate 32bit thus making it run crappier.

Slashy
31-07-2007, 08:40 PM
no they dont.. 64 bit OS takes advantage of 64bit processors.. the 32bit OS doesnt

Faylin
31-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Slashy, for the love of god, stop talking crap. What Flawless says is correct.

Vegelus
31-07-2007, 09:10 PM
As Beatus said, no such thing futureproof computer - dont even try making one, just buy something within your budget that will satisfy you for what your doing in the present.

And will be satisfying You probably longer than You even think (if You aren't "amagawd I need the newest the fastest and the most OCable thingies" type ofc).

Slashy
31-07-2007, 09:31 PM
"The intended primary mode of operation of the architecture; it is a combination of the processor's native 64-bit mode and a 32-bit/16-bit compatibility mode. It is used by 64-bit operating systems. Under a 64-bit operating system, 64-bit, 32-bit and 16-bit (or 80286) protected mode applications may be supported.

Since the basic instruction set is the same, there is no major performance penalty for executing x86 code. This is unlike Intel's IA-64, where differences in the underlying ISA means that running 32-bit code is like using an entirely different processor. However, on AMD64, 32-bit x86 applications may still benefit from a 64-bit recompile, due to the additional registers in 64-bit code, which a high-level compiler can use for optimization. "

BEATUS! for the love of everyone who has a clue.. stop talking about stuff you have no idea about

Valoran
31-07-2007, 09:33 PM
Using a 64 bit OS for 32 bit games will reduce performance. Most (I say most, I don't know of any specific 64 bit games) games are written as 32 bit. The statement flawless made was correct, but you seem to be talking about more than just games, inwhich case you are partially correct but a total idiot for correcting a correct statement.

Slashy
31-07-2007, 09:36 PM
and games run NO different at all on the 32 bit OS.. otherwise there would be no vista ultimate 64 bit would there.. they just run in x86 mode

also "- 64 bit applications are theoretically faster than their 32 bit equivalents in some circumstances, mainly due to more and larger CPU registers."

need more quotes?

Slashy
31-07-2007, 09:38 PM
http://64-bit-computers.com/windows-vista-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmark.html

theres another link for you to read.

the only problem has been drivers.. which are now fine with the beta 163.11s

Slashy
31-07-2007, 09:44 PM
also crysis and other games are being released in x32 and x64 versions.. if you get 32bit.. youre limited with ram.. 64bit.. good luck trying to reach the limit

Flawless
31-07-2007, 09:54 PM
keep talking slash one day you might not be an idiot on sse, oh and btw 400 FPS on WOW? Made me laugh.

Slashy
31-07-2007, 09:56 PM
fine ill screenshot it

Flawless
31-07-2007, 09:58 PM
Oh while you're here, do me a favour and post it where it says exactly that games being emulated on a 64bit system will run EXACTLY the same as on a 32.

and before you link me the last page I'm talking about Games, programs made for 32bit systems, NOT programs made for 64bit systems which I know exist.

Slashy
31-07-2007, 10:17 PM
http://techgage.com/articles/windows_vista/performance0606/game.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3813/wowscrnshot073107230346ju6.jpg

i made a new char and enabled every addon i have.. and that reads 340 in titan bar.. 333 on the bongos performance

if i disable ui.. it went up to 468.8.. i also have a screeny of that.. i just would have got "well obviously with no ui its gna be high"

Slashy
31-07-2007, 10:24 PM
next?

Arjen
31-07-2007, 10:29 PM
Can you spec me the PC you built for a grand? Just curious, really as I'm getting (what I think is) a nice one made from a mate that works for Mesh.

Flawless
31-07-2007, 10:31 PM
1st. 640x384 res?
2nd. No proof thats yours at all.
3rd. Why not just take it from slash, or heck even make me a nice little message.
4th. 30min to do that?
5th. Yes I love grieving you, its just so much fun :D

Faylin
31-07-2007, 10:31 PM
http://www.ShadowsongEurope.com/forum/imagehosting/1810546afb80ed5a9d.jpg

(No, I'm not kidding. and yes, that's at absolute minimum setting, I was curious;))


Oh, here's at max btw:
http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/d/dusktilldawn/100498/tqchkiefcp.jpg
Settings:
http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/d/dusktilldawn/100498/jwltljgodp.jpg

Valoran
31-07-2007, 10:33 PM
and games run NO different at all on the 32 bit OS..
The totally out of context benchmark you posted says otherwise. Nice contradiction of yourself.

Oh, you're still talking out of your arse :P

Slashy
31-07-2007, 10:37 PM
i resized the image to 640x480 with imageshack.. its at 1440x900 if you look in the window i left open for you to look at so i wouldnt get asked?

"The totally out of context benchmark you posted says otherwise. Nice contradiction of yourself."

ok some games run faster.. some slower? different to what you said no? being that all 32bit games run faster on 32bit?

theres 1 game in that list that runs a whole 5 fps faster.. and thats half life.. everyone else runs pretty damn close.. and 1 game faster in 64

Flawless
31-07-2007, 10:45 PM
Should we continue val and beatus? or just leave him alone now?

Faylin
31-07-2007, 10:49 PM
I'm hitting the sack, but feel free to provide me with some breakfast reading pleasure ;)

Slashy
31-07-2007, 10:56 PM
well id love for you to show me where i was wrong anywhere? >.>

Flawless
31-07-2007, 11:00 PM
Ah you know, the fact all your credibility is next to nothing, but please feel free to spec the £1,000 computer for Arjen. :)

Slashy
31-07-2007, 11:07 PM
well why is my credibility any different to yours? youve asked for links.. screenies.. ive given both.. more than anyone else has shown to prove differently?

those benchmarks are old.. using older drivers.. the drivers for vista are far better now

and the spec you did was fine.. id just use a better cpu cooler thats all.. although with a quad and overclocking.. id go for water cooling.. but im a benchmark whore.. i didnt play many games. although i scored higher in xp with my 7950gx2 which i still have spare.. i wouldnt go back to it