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Cassina
28-11-2006, 12:41 AM
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9695/nerfwarlocksmz5.jpg

WTF Blizz?
I'm sorry, but I don't remember a warrior being able to basically 1-shot any class, what's up?

Chopper
28-11-2006, 01:10 AM
You hit Dead Horse for 14.
Dead Horse is still dead.

Cassina
28-11-2006, 01:23 AM
Blizzard's World of Castercraft hits you for 85794.
You gain Enrage.
You die.

Kinshara
28-11-2006, 01:42 AM
This'd be one of the reasons health is going up so much in the expansion. Fortunately soulfire is on a 1min cooldown, even though it'll scale better with +dmg.

Gumdrops
28-11-2006, 02:10 AM
You hit Dead Horse for 14.
Dead Horse is still dead.

I lol'd.

Taurusos
28-11-2006, 02:30 AM
See problem is you aint got the key to success yet Cassina my dear.


SHOW ME THEM 1000+ AP! JOO NEED AP.

In other words, live with it, and oh, its getting worse come tbc vs locks, specially them SL ones.

I can tell all the crying folks this though, warriors are still on top of things in group pvp situation.

Played a lvl 68 warrior (friends TBC beta) and did some sweet arena and messing around in the pvp area i forgot the name off.

Seems like spells somehow have a weird habit in TBC (others been saying the same) to get resisted alot, and im not talking some random frostnova resist etc.

Warriors will be fine, most warriors are giggling at mages tbh.

Youll need time to adapt, when you adapted youll find your own way to come around problems etc.

/Tau

Kenny
28-11-2006, 03:39 AM
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9695/nerfwarlocksmz5.jpg

WTF Blizz?
I'm sorry, but I don't remember a warrior being able to basically 1-shot any class, what's up?

Check my signature for further information.

Stim
28-11-2006, 06:13 AM
ffs... 5k damage o_O Even uber-Windfury typical proc is about 3.5k summarized...

sageclaire
28-11-2006, 08:12 AM
to hit for 4K - 5K is not a prob at all. when i was still ap mage, got tons of 4.2 - 5K crits with zerker n AP. its nothing new....
when u PvP more, u'll realise that mages/locks can 1 shot peepz easily, but mages = a bit of a glass cannon...warrs are WAY WAY more reliable ( esp the fury with Death wish ones ).

Slashy
28-11-2006, 08:44 AM
lrn2parry spellz!!11!1

Flawless
28-11-2006, 09:09 AM
Summary of another cassina post - QQ

Zamruel
28-11-2006, 09:42 AM
/cry

dantheman
28-11-2006, 11:21 AM
/wave

Legendfierce
28-11-2006, 11:49 AM
Not that much tbh if he had zerker and other buffs i aint far of that with shammy. and Soul fire scales way better with +dmg

Stim
28-11-2006, 02:29 PM
/check TBC mage talents
/reroll pally
/grab heap of stam
/spec *Eye for an eye* ^^
/Yell Crit me clothie!

Kathra
28-11-2006, 04:41 PM
Its np, now you got concentration aura on you

Artia
28-11-2006, 10:53 PM
Clearly, AP isn't everything, and Nensec was right when he went for more sta first ;-) And whatever happened to MS one shotting people?

Taurusos
28-11-2006, 11:14 PM
Clearly, AP isn't everything, and Nensec was right when he went for more sta first ;-) And whatever happened to MS one shotting people?

Well not really oneshotting, but I had in our premade where charging tier2-3 mages, one ms for around 2200-2900 and then next swing killed him/her.

But as you might understand its very rare and I always ending up thinking my target akfed and then notice corpse and blood and gore all around my legs and then I shout to Mother Earth and rejoice the sight of alliance blood!

Sorry, carried away, but yeah, can 1-2 shot mages. Rare, I repeat, but happens.

/Tau

Artia
28-11-2006, 11:17 PM
Glad to hear it.

So, how often does a warlock crit for 5,6k, about as much as a warrior would 1-2 shot a mage? Or are they indeed the imbacritmachines everyone says they are?

Taurusos
28-11-2006, 11:32 PM
I hope the community is honest and clear as I a on this tbh:

The massive crits from mages/locks are by far more common than the MS crits we have just spoken off.

But tbh, its not worth the discussion.

As in group pvp, if you get a MS specced warrior in your face, and he gets the chance to slow you down, there is no way in hell those bolts are gonna happen.

All is very situational.

/Tau

Stim
29-11-2006, 01:28 AM
Actually it's 3-shot, charge (21 rage)-strike crit (shield goes down, woohoo ragey!)-mortal crit (most hp go down)-execute crit (hi, spirit) for me. That's with my best TUF crits and not-your-usual-HW/GM/Naxx stuff. The only questions are where to get rage for execute and what kind of noob is a mage to allow me execute him >_> In the same time almost all right specced mages posses *I PAWNZ J00 N00B* button making short work of me in 1-2 *casual* crits.

Cassina
29-11-2006, 03:04 AM
All is very situational.

Indeed it is.
But +dmg is getting out of control, it really is.
I've seen people doing arcane missles for 1k per tick on test server.

Backup
29-11-2006, 09:06 AM
Glad to hear it.

So, how often does a warlock crit for 5,6k, about as much as a warrior would 1-2 shot a mage? Or are they indeed the imbacritmachines everyone says they are?

The mere fact a ranged attacker can do more damage and 1 shot opponents is insane.

Surely the melee classes, that have to get close should have the higher damage,eh?

Ohhh crap. i forgot this was world of castercraft.

Taurusos
29-11-2006, 12:04 PM
Well its not as simple as that.

Yes, the higher dmg from casters has to be questioned, but you have to remember, when a melee class get the jump on a caster and actually does get in your face, the game is over for the caster.

Been many times where I have managed to jump a mage, take his hp down to around the 200-300s, he FNs, jumps away, but not far enough so intim shout hits him. Grab a ranged gun and put his misery to an end.

A smart mage would FN, blink, sheep and get health up yes, but not many react that fast or that way etc.

The damage out there in the BGs isnt the issue of you ask me, the crowd control is. And as we know its been nerfed.

And as a warrior, Ive learned to really abuse potions and anything in my grasp in both Pve and PvP.

/Tau

Faylin
29-11-2006, 12:21 PM
Hate to say it but agree with Tau ;)

Think the damage is pretty balanced. Crowd control wasn't and will be.
I think the one thing mostly gimping warriors is the fact they start off with an empty (rage) bar, where we start off with a full bar.

Elexin
29-11-2006, 12:44 PM
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9695/nerfwarlocksmz5.jpg

WTF Blizz?
I'm sorry, but I don't remember a warrior being able to basically 1-shot any class, what's up?

And ignoring whatever buffs the opponent might have had... the fact you were in zerker stance and had curse of elements wouldn't also account for high fire based crits against you. Nope. Surely not ;)

Thrane
29-11-2006, 02:07 PM
And ignoring whatever buffs the opponent might have had... the fact you were in zerker stance and had curse of elements wouldn't also account for high fire based crits against you. Nope. Surely not ;)

Because 4308 damage is SO much better than 5118. Oh yes. (And yes, that is what it would be with zerker stance + CoR.) Don't bloody minimalise it.

Edit: Forgot to mention that in PvP a warrior doesn't have much chance but to be in berserker stance because that's where all our useful PvP stuff is in.

Disregarding that. I do agree with Tau that it's CC that kills us. Without the hours of CC those crits would be way harder to get in vs a well skilled warrior. So I'm not crying nerf. They're changing CC so all will be fine. If the warlock gets that kind of crit in. Well, grats warlock then :)

Kenny
29-11-2006, 02:12 PM
And ignoring whatever buffs the opponent might have had... the fact you were in zerker stance and had curse of elements wouldn't also account for high fire based crits against you. Nope. Surely not ;)

Because 4308 damage is SO much better than 5118. Oh yes. (And yes, that is what it would be with zerker stance + CoR.) Don't bloody minimalise it.

Disregarding that. I do agree with Tau that it's CC that kills us. Without the hours of CC those crits would be way harder to get in vs a well skilled warrior. So I'm not crying nerf. They're changing CC so all will be fine. If the warlock gets that kind of crit in. Well, grats warlock then :)

QFT.

Karadros
29-11-2006, 02:17 PM
I was in AB on the test server.

Total damage done... Less than 5k.

Gwynin
29-11-2006, 02:28 PM
And what damages did the mages and warlocks do ?

And did you hide at farm or something ? ;)

Kenny
29-11-2006, 02:31 PM
I was in AB on the test server.

Total damage done... Less than 5k.

Blame your shoulders.

Orde
02-02-2007, 01:03 PM
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9695/nerfwarlocksmz5.jpg

WTF Blizz?
I'm sorry, but I don't remember a warrior being able to basically 1-shot any class, what's up?

:roll: lucky lock was given the 8seconds to cast it tbh...l2p *awaits flaming*

Unless that was a SL lock you were fighting in which case wtf blizztard.

Valoran
02-02-2007, 01:12 PM
The post previous to yours was Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:31 pm.

Über
02-02-2007, 01:18 PM
I doubt it matters to Orde if the thread is old or not. Both can be spammed all the same.

Orde
02-02-2007, 01:25 PM
Whine more please

Slicer
02-02-2007, 02:04 PM
Soulfire's cast time is only 6 seconds, 4 if you're talented for it.

Orde
02-02-2007, 06:43 PM
O'rly i have a lock im sure its 8secs...i'll go check

Orde
02-02-2007, 06:45 PM
Yeah its 6sec.... *twiddles thumbs* .... eerrrr yeah remove soulfire blizzard hehe

i don't use it on my lock for pvp or pve its not really that useful,except for one shotting ofc which is just ghey and takes the fun out of dueling or bg pvp imo.

Gumdrops
02-02-2007, 07:21 PM
Shut up.

Orde
02-02-2007, 07:33 PM
lol

Orde
02-02-2007, 07:34 PM
Shut up.

Don't make me kill you dwarf!

Ogg
03-02-2007, 12:17 PM
I don't get how you died Cassina, I thought all SotF tanks had imba parry buff?

Also, isfien, l2p.

Kenny
03-02-2007, 12:34 PM
Do you two really have to bitch at each other in EVERY SINGLE thread?

Slicer
03-02-2007, 01:30 PM
Stop trying to kill the drama boyo.