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Firesoul
05-09-2006, 09:18 AM
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/paladin/talents.html

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/paladin/spells.html

I wanted to see a Pally-only thread for Pallies and those that want to be Pallies to share some views as to what they think on the new trees.

I think they're pretty good, just don't leave enough room to provide a tight balance between the three, which is something I was hoping for.

However, speccing Prot or Ret will be huge fun in future from the looks of things.

I'm sticking with Holy at first tho until we get to grips with the new places... That's er, if I'm still playing of course. :P

Faylin
05-09-2006, 09:58 AM
Well, I have to say I quite like some of the talents.

And since pallies will be viable as tank for smaller groups now, I just might level my palli as such. And retribution is nice and all, but pallies are and will be shit dps, so no need to spec for that. Survivablity ftw!

Talents? Probably a lot of holy (some of those talents are good for tanking too) some protection (kings imp righteous fury) and some retri (parry, lower seal cost)

Maybe something like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=qVxurxk0xqZVGzhZV0xz

Hybrid healer/tank.

Magnar
05-09-2006, 10:15 AM
I'm thinking something like this. With the uncertainty about class roles in TBC it's hard though. I'm not a fan of the offtanking idea, since druids will do it better anyway.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310252313253155100000000000000000 0000522000000000000000000

Shadowfury
05-09-2006, 12:32 PM
I'm thinking something like this. With the uncertainty about class roles in TBC it's hard though. I'm not a fan of the offtanking idea, since druids will do it better anyway.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310252313253155100000000000000000 0000522000000000000000000


True words ;)

Kathra
05-09-2006, 12:51 PM
I'm thinking something like this. With the uncertainty about class roles in TBC it's hard though. I'm not a fan of the offtanking idea, since druids will do it better anyway.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310252313253155100000000000000000 0000522000000000000000000

Paladin class role

1. Cast Buffs
2. Sit
3. See 1.

Shila
05-09-2006, 01:14 PM
No Mag, I can't agree with you here :razz: Blizz's going to make EVERY hybrid playing at its full potential.

I'm going this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?2550300050000000000000000000000000000 0000552300510000312521051#none) for lvling up, and this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310252013053105150005130500000000 0000000000000000000000000) for raiding or this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310152013040000055005133500300000 0100000000000000000000000) if we need even more specialized tanking pala.

Bleetman
05-09-2006, 02:05 PM
I'll probably get this (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/paladin/talents.html?0550312252010253105100000000000000000 0000052303012200000000000), or possibly switch a few talents around and get blessed life, depending on how good it is.

Still aiming for the same overall spec though. Holy and a dash of retri.

Ruargh
05-09-2006, 04:24 PM
And since pallies will be viable as tank for smaller groups now, I just might level my palli as such.


you really think they will be able to pull that off?
why?

i kinda like the idea, might give me a good reason to roll a BE paladin once tbc hits ^^

Magnar
05-09-2006, 04:36 PM
No Mag, I can't agree with you here :razz: Blizz's going to make EVERY hybrid playing at its full potential.

I'm going this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?2550300050000000000000000000000000000 0000552300510000312521051#none) for lvling up, and this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310252013053105150005130500000000 0000000000000000000000000) for raiding or this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310152013040000055005133500300000 0100000000000000000000000) if we need even more specialized tanking pala.

Even if they want hybrids to tank, you will always choose the ones who does it best. And I don't see paladins getting anywhere near a druid as it is now.
Do what you do best is a general rule which you can also apply in WoW, and I think paladins will be better healers than tanks in TBC.

Robinvi
05-09-2006, 04:53 PM
0/0/61 k :razz:

Shila
05-09-2006, 06:33 PM
No Mag, I can't agree with you here :razz: Blizz's going to make EVERY hybrid playing at its full potential.

I'm going this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?2550300050000000000000000000000000000 0000552300510000312521051#none) for lvling up, and this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310252013053105150005130500000000 0000000000000000000000000) for raiding or this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310152013040000055005133500300000 0100000000000000000000000) if we need even more specialized tanking pala.

Even if they want hybrids to tank, you will always choose the ones who does it best. And I don't see paladins getting anywhere near a druid as it is now.
Do what you do best is a general rule which you can also apply in WoW, and I think paladins will be better healers than tanks in TBC.


And if we need ... let's say 6 tanks in some encounters? all druids in raid tank? I don't see it this way, sorry.
The only truth is that we all know almost nothing about how'd be in BC. Let's wait and see.

Firesoul
05-09-2006, 08:16 PM
And since pallies will be viable as tank for smaller groups now, I just might level my palli as such.


you really think they will be able to pull that off?
why?

i kinda like the idea, might give me a good reason to roll a BE paladin once tbc hits ^^

Pallies are excellent at multiple mob management. Holding them in a place with Consecration while casters AoE them is one of the most fun things I do when tanking (see whelps in Scholo, mob groups in Strat etc). I can see that being a bigger part of pally tanking play in future. Righteous Fury, spell damage, and ZHC work wonders for me. :P

For single mobs, tbh I've found it incredibly difficult to beat a druid or warrior (that knows what they're doing) unless it's an Undead boss/mob - in which case it's still difficult but manageable.

Firesoul
05-09-2006, 08:23 PM
And if we need ... let's say 6 tanks in some encounters? all druids in raid tank? I don't see it this way, sorry.
The only truth is that we all know almost nothing about how'd be in BC. Let's wait and see.

I totally agree with Shila btw.

Who knows? Blizz may screw it up again so we still purely flash heal better than any other class. As it stands, I'm definitely going to be sampling the various talent spreads I can have (I make it sound like something you put on a sandwich...), more than anything to make the most of the impressive class changes we're potentially being given.

One thing I'm sure of though is that there are enough encounters coming up in the expansion that will allow for Pallies to specialise in various areas and not be ridiculed for not going "raid spec" - which is the common healing/prot spec that the average Pally seems to take these days. And that's a good thing in my view.

Again tho, HELL yeah I'm sticking with Holy at first. :P

Firesoul
05-09-2006, 08:24 PM
I'm thinking something like this. With the uncertainty about class roles in TBC it's hard though. I'm not a fan of the offtanking idea, since druids will do it better anyway.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?0550310252313253155100000000000000000 0000522000000000000000000

Paladin class role

1. Cast Buffs
2. Sit
3. See 1.

/mock Kathra. :P

Faylin
05-09-2006, 08:24 PM
Thing is Firesoul, the thing we (err..:P ) thay lacked most was a taunt ability. By getting that, most problem are solved .


Oh and Damage mitigation, which will also be available through talents.

To say that a palli in TBC will be a buffbot is really narrowminded imo. Remember that groups won't be 40 anymore.

Firesoul
05-09-2006, 08:28 PM
Thing is Firesoul, the thing we (err..:P ) thay lacked most was a taunt ability. By getting that, most problem are solved .


Oh and Damage mitigation, which will also be available through talents.

To say that a palli in TBC will be a buffbot is really narrowminded imo. Remember that groups won't be 40 anymore.

Sorry Beatus, I er, forgot to add that on at the end of that reply - which was the whole point about bringing up single mob tanking. :P

Long work day, but thanks for pointing it out. :)

Firesoul
05-09-2006, 08:35 PM
And retribution is nice and all, but pallies are and will be shit dps, so no need to spec for that. Survivablity ftw!



I dunno mate. Currently, I'm not a massive fan of Pally dps in raids, definitely.
A coupla more things similar to Sanctified Crusader that boost overall raid dps would have made a retri Pally a viable raid member, in my opinion. Things may change, and with TBC dropping to 25 man we may find things in Retri that are useful but can't see them yet.

I reckon staying open-minded about things and doing as Shila says "Wait and see what happens" is probably going to be the best option available for us.

Firesoul
05-09-2006, 08:36 PM
And retribution is nice and all, but pallies are and will be shit dps, so no need to spec for that. Survivablity ftw!



I dunno mate. Currently, I'm not a massive fan of Pally dps in raids, definitely.
A coupla more things similar to Sanctified Crusader that boost overall raid dps would have made a retri Pally a viable raid member, in my opinion. Things may change, and with TBC dropping to 25 man we may find things in Retri that are useful but can't see them yet.

I reckon staying open-minded about things and doing as Shila says "Wait and see what happens" is probably going to be the best option available for us.

Rhaego
11-09-2006, 10:25 AM
well i will stick with my holy/retri cookiecutter build its the playstlye i like and the one i will keep but tbh i kinda hope for a more valuable position of retribution paladins in raids as such ( adding some damage / judging while keeping up the support role as a versatile class) but this in the end isnt defined by talent points only but the encounters blizzard made for BC, time will tell and hopefuly thy will keep the promise for better hybrid class use not just current heal/cleanse/buff bots in 40 man raids
Altrough i kinda like what thy did with the talents so far, retri needed a stronger pve focus (like Sanctity aura, Sanctified Crusader, fixed Vindication and better mana conservation) i was just hoping that thy would add more options that just SoC, a bit more substained dps

I can imagine that with the tount capability and new talents we might be the best OT in the game at least using Tigoles own words

Imladris
13-09-2006, 08:04 PM
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-paladin/talents.html?5550310050010253105105320130000000000 0000050000000000000000000

Multi purpose instance healing
Helps when u need to pick up after nasty tank issues.