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Jarelan
06-04-2006, 01:02 PM
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-warrior-en&ThreadID=150461

This is a thread on the WoW europe forums, it's a weekend of no action from the warriors, all we have to do is pick a weekend and log in, but not do anything, no instances, no raids, no BG. If other classes complain tell them to take it up with Blizzard regarding the warrior situation as it stands.

A similar thing occured 2 years ago in Everquest, we threatened to strike, at the last minute Sony interjected managed to placate us and the strike was cancelled. If we can get a universal no action weekend here throughout all the EU servers maybe that will hit home to blizzard that we would like fixes now, not at some unspecified point in time. See if the US warriors will join in too.

Another thread relative to this is; http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warrior-en&t=130785&p=1&tmp=1#post130785

Post what you think.

Cheers.

Robinvi
06-04-2006, 01:49 PM
Ololol 8)

Taurusos
06-04-2006, 01:53 PM
I support the strike and WONT raid....

Oh wait...

Cachero
06-04-2006, 01:56 PM
You guys are imba.. Face it.

Zorg
06-04-2006, 02:13 PM
"working as intended"

Karlsens
06-04-2006, 02:22 PM
We could do warrior only raids! 300 FA required...

Psonica
06-04-2006, 02:29 PM
great! that would force people to think outside the usual frames and go on to solve the problems with the tools they have available ... I've already done tribute with 2 Voidwalkers tanking (2xwarlocks, 2xmages, 1xpriest) and most of DM West with 3 warlocks and a priest. and since we have seen 38 priests take down Onyxia I am sure other strange combination could be possible :)

Kaïn
06-04-2006, 02:37 PM
My lvl 60 druid is still fully feral built and could help you with that Psonica :lol:

Havn't had the heart to respec yet :roll:

Jarelan
06-04-2006, 03:14 PM
Basically right now if you are specced with Shield Specialisation and/or Unbridled Wrath you only have 41 to 46 talent points that work. There has been no guarenteed fix, no dates set, no free respec to deal with this...we're just told this is how it is, deal with it.

Given the endless "fixes" we get pretty much every patch it's starting to get annoying that they break something by mistake and still don't bother.

The threatened strike in Everquest worked, be interesting to see if it would work in WoW. Hence my post.

Proterra
06-04-2006, 03:21 PM
i wont raid as my druid then, gives me a chance too lvl up my lvl 30 tauren female warrior alt..

Artemisia
06-04-2006, 04:10 PM
Let me see...post what I think...

I think this is rather pathetic. If an entire class had to "go on strike" everytime a percentage of the class feels they are useless at one aspect of the game then I doubt we'd all get to play much at all.

And it's not like warriros are the only class who have problems in some aspects of the game. Now does that mean that every class has to go on strike?

And furthermore I think it doubtfull that Blizzard would even consider negotiating with such threats. That sony did is more of a sign of how utter stupid the management at sony have been. If they should even negotiate in such situations would only lead to even more attempts of getting something through by threats of a strike.

Sorry, but this is just too silly :P

Shead
06-04-2006, 05:37 PM
lol!

Ashborn
06-04-2006, 05:58 PM
Artemisia wins again.

Jarelan
06-04-2006, 06:31 PM
He/she is welcome to his/her opinion. It isn't matched by many if you read the various WOW forums. Just spreading the news, see how it goes.

Goonerr
06-04-2006, 06:49 PM
an in-game strike, sounds fun, ill do it if everyone alse does :P

Jarelan
06-04-2006, 06:57 PM
See how the threads go...see what opinion is...if they can link it to the US warrior forums then it could get interesting.

Kathra
06-04-2006, 07:30 PM
Sorry uhm, why are you striking again?

Jarelan
06-04-2006, 08:20 PM
Mostly cos of this post by a US CM on their forums regarding Unbridled Wrath

"It not appearing in the combat log was causing it to not generate rage or seemingly function at all. A fix for this has been slated for a future patch."

The way it's been handled customer service wise is crap. Later transpired that this rage generation was bugged for Shield Specialisation too and 5/8 set bonus of might....rage is a warriors lifeline...to have a bug with no fix date is not good enough, especially for those with UW and Shield Spec...that means essentially they only have 41 working talent points.

Imagine if your mana regen stopped functioning properly, or if a rogues energy replenishment slowed way down...thats what's happened for the warriors who lost rage generation in talents.

No repsec has been offered despite knowing its a problem. You know if this was a bug that gave us 5 rage per hit it would've been fixed within hours. But all we have is an unspecified date for a fix...no-one knows how long or when. Given the amount of fixes we get each patch, for them to actually break something by mistake and nerf us yet again, but not fix it asap is rubbish.

It's got to the point warriors are trying to bluff GMs lol.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warrior&t=920495&p=1&tmp=1#post920495


So this is why people want to strike, people have said they want to go crash servers by creating lots of lvl 1 alts on server and bringing them down, much like the AQ opening...but that would only get people banned...non violent protest gets noticed too.

sara
06-04-2006, 08:29 PM
Actually there was a bug that mana regen buffs and enchants caused threat when they shouldn't have and it was left unpatched until the next minor revision...

Jarelan
06-04-2006, 08:35 PM
But were these talents that weren't working?

Kathra
06-04-2006, 08:42 PM
Well ok, if you feel you need to resort to a strike then fair enough.

You DO realise that 90% of warriors arent going to care, and instead will see this as an oppurtunity to raid where other warriors arent going to get their days loot.

Its a nice idea, but in reality you've not got much chance..

Jarelan
06-04-2006, 09:02 PM
We can see, judging by the reaction on both US and Euro forums there are seeds growing. If you don't mention you don't find out.

Rey
06-04-2006, 11:58 PM
It is time to sell your shield and respec!!

Fleshmissile
07-04-2006, 12:41 AM
blizz stil get our money - just means there wil be less lag for us - go strike go!

Jarelan
07-04-2006, 07:13 AM
Did u read the post Flesh? We log on and all stand in one place.

Tsarina
07-04-2006, 08:26 AM
It's got to the point warriors are trying to bluff GMs lol.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warrior&t=920495&p=1&tmp=1#post920495

I like that thread :)
I got 5/5 UW today and now... I'm pregnant.
I don't get that strike thing, though. If it was related to the bugged UW, at least I would see the point. But if it's because some sad sod feel helpless in PvP, it's just silly.

Cassina
07-04-2006, 08:32 AM
Well ok, if you feel you need to resort to a strike then fair enough.

You DO realise that 90% of warriors arent going to care, and instead will see this as an oppurtunity to raid where other warriors arent going to get their days loot.

Well they should because tanking is a lot harder without the extra rage, I struggled to hold aggro many times recently due to not having enough rage for a revenge etc.
Fury warriors have also been hit hard by this.

Straight after the patch I could tell that something didn't "feel right".

Nimbus
07-04-2006, 08:51 AM
I remember the strike in EQ, but not quite what it was for or what results it gave. Wasn't it about warriors being so seriously gimped in anything but tanking raid bosses with a CH-rota backing them up? Even group tanking was better with a pally or shadowknight. As I remember it with my warrior back then I ran a serious risk of dying if I tried to solo a mob 5 levels below me, and lets not even get started with PvP.

Jarelan
07-04-2006, 09:08 AM
@ Tsarina, when I first mentioned the strike on the Warrior forums it was in regards to all things warrior, the person who then took the strike onboard and created a new thread has turned it to PvP. But it isn't just about PvP.

@ Nthw, this is another point I was going to raise but forgot to, lack of rage generation = lack of aggro management skills = lack of aggro = everyone else dying needlessly. It effects everyone who raids not just warriors.

@ Nimbus, the EQ strike was exactly about that, warriors had no place in the game, the hard content could be tanked by Shadowknights and Paladins just as well as warriors, all we had was a taunt button that worked 66% of the time and Defensive discipline. The strike was organised on the unofficial warrior boards and spread around all servers. We were going to all stand in Plane of Knowledge and do nothing. Sony managed to placate us before it happened by showing what their plans for the warrior would be, this was all the new disciplines, which in the end actually gave us a better chance to survive and make us viable for tanking again. They took certain disciplines off shared cooldowns meaning we could live a lot longer.

Hephaestos
07-04-2006, 09:20 AM
I call for a warlock strike!

no moar summons and healthstones and bloodpact 4 j00!


owh wait, u didnt get those anyway ^_^

Ajial
07-04-2006, 09:46 AM
I think druids should strike, since we dont have as cool dance as shaman's ghost wolf....

Everyone has problems with their classes, you think druids like the fact we are the only healer with no regular rez? Or a group heal that doesn't have a rediculous cooldown? Or a flash heal that doesnt drain your mana in about 8 casts.... There is problems with all classes, this is not the right way to do it.

Druid in a group "oh we wiped! Ill rez you all..... *2.5 hours later* lets go!

I think the reason druids dont have a regular rez is because we are just so damn good at healing, the thought of us needing to rez more then q person per 30 mins didnt cross blizzard's mind!

Jarelan
07-04-2006, 09:57 AM
This isn't about general problems, all classes have general problems, warriors have charge bugs that get them out of sync with ther server and the only way to fix is relog.

This is about customer service at Blizzard getting so bad that when they break 3 things in one go by mistake (2 being worth 10, yes that's 10, 1/5th of the total, talent points) they don't pull out the stops to fix it, they don't even really apologise, they just say "deal with it we will fix it sometime."

It's the straw that broke the camels back for warriors after the number of nerfs we've experienced every patch.

Oogie
07-04-2006, 10:25 AM
This isn't about general problems, all classes have general problems, warriors have charge bugs that get them out of sync with ther server and the only way to fix is relog.

This is about customer service at Blizzard getting so bad that when they break 3 things in one go by mistake (2 being worth 10, yes that's 10, 1/5th of the total, talent points) they don't pull out the stops to fix it, they don't even really apologise, they just say "deal with it we will fix it sometime."

It's the straw that broke the camels back for warriors after the number of nerfs we've experienced every patch.

Seconded.

Cassina
07-04-2006, 11:02 AM
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warrior-en&t=149986&p=1&tmp=1#post149986

Kathra
07-04-2006, 11:08 AM
Holy crap! I re-speced UW last night and delivered two healthy babies, cured cancer, and established world peace. ZOMG, nerf me!

;D

Asura
07-04-2006, 11:15 AM
Seriously, remember the Mage Union? Well if you're not a mage, you probably don't. Just don't do foolish stuff like that or Blizzard will plain ignore you even more. Our invisibility has been promissed in nerfed form for what... a year now? And that's considering they don't adress the real issues at hand for our class.

Reroll or live with it, it's all you -can- do. Strikes get you some publicity, but they have all the right to ignore you... and by god, they will.

Oh and...

So this is why people want to strike, people have said they want to go crash servers by creating lots of lvl 1 alts on server and bringing them down, much like the AQ opening...but that would only get people banned...non violent protest gets noticed too.
Don't try the lvl1 things, accounts get perma banned for that. They told the Mage Union they didn't have to bother. That's about all the PR reaction you can expect...

Jarelan
07-04-2006, 11:32 AM
Aye I've tried to disuade those ppl going "OMG quick lvl 1 at 12pm on server x, then 12.30 on server y, we can bring them all down"...that's just stupid...

Pogel
07-04-2006, 11:44 AM
I don't think a strike will work, but at least wait until after the 1.11 patch notes...Perhaps they're fixing bugs next patch.

Pogel
07-04-2006, 11:46 AM
Aye I've tried to disuade those ppl going "OMG quick lvl 1 at 12pm on server x, then 12.30 on server y, we can bring them all down"...that's just stupid...

I really hope people get perma-banned for this malicious behaviour. Bringing realms down not only spoils the fun for a lot of players who ARE happy with the game, it also brings huge downtime costs for Blizzard...

Jarelan
07-04-2006, 11:56 AM
I don't think a strike will work, but at least wait until after the 1.11 patch notes...Perhaps they're fixing bugs next patch.

This is the crux, 1.11 is possibly months away, why should we be forced to play with 41 to 46 working talent points for that long. Not everyone can afford a respec, or want to spent up to 50g on one. Warriors want a fix asap, they want a date, they want a response, and the crap customer service from Blizzard isn't providing that.

Ogg
07-04-2006, 12:39 PM
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-warrior-en&ThreadID=150461

This is a thread on the WoW europe forums, it's a weekend of no action from the warriors, all we have to do is pick a weekend and log in, but not do anything, no instances, no raids, no BG. If other classes complain tell them to take it up with Blizzard regarding the warrior situation as it stands.

A similar thing occured 2 years ago in Everquest, we threatened to strike, at the last minute Sony interjected managed to placate us and the strike was cancelled. If we can get a universal no action weekend here throughout all the EU servers maybe that will hit home to blizzard that we would like fixes now, not at some unspecified point in time. See if the US warriors will join in too.

Another thread relative to this is; http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warrior-en&t=130785&p=1&tmp=1#post130785

Post what you think.

Cheers.

*reads, then watches Monty Pythons Life of Brian*

Right, this calls for immidiate discussion!

Karadros
07-04-2006, 12:43 PM
I'll bite - tell me when and i shall continue not using my warrior.

Jarelan
07-04-2006, 01:00 PM
Tbh it's not taken off much...they're totally rabid over in the US but surprisingly not one has mentioned doing this and I can't post on US forums to poke them in the right direction.

Whereas in europe we've thought about it and been all polite...except for the few nutcases threatening to crash all servers.

Oogie
07-04-2006, 01:41 PM
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-warrior-en&ThreadID=150461

This is a thread on the WoW europe forums, it's a weekend of no action from the warriors, all we have to do is pick a weekend and log in, but not do anything, no instances, no raids, no BG. If other classes complain tell them to take it up with Blizzard regarding the warrior situation as it stands.

A similar thing occured 2 years ago in Everquest, we threatened to strike, at the last minute Sony interjected managed to placate us and the strike was cancelled. If we can get a universal no action weekend here throughout all the EU servers maybe that will hit home to blizzard that we would like fixes now, not at some unspecified point in time. See if the US warriors will join in too.

Another thread relative to this is; http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warrior-en&t=130785&p=1&tmp=1#post130785

Post what you think.

Cheers.

*reads, then watches Monty Pythons Life of Brian*

Right, this calls for immidiate discussion!

So what exactly have the Romans done for us? Apart from Roads, Irrigation, Economy, Eduction...

Asura
07-04-2006, 01:45 PM
Warriors want a fix asap, they want a date, they want a response, and the crap customer service from Blizzard isn't providing that.

I think more than only warriors want that. And tbh Blizzard fails at "real" customer support. As in adressing the -REAL- issues. Not the "can yuo givf glod??!!11" or "Ragnaros is offensive/using caps" tickets.

Ansharok
08-04-2006, 11:25 PM
I must have missed something, exactly what is it thats wrong with the warrior class this time?

urdai
08-04-2006, 11:34 PM
mages have had bugs since beta too(Blink, Arcane missiles, coldsnap etc.)
stop whining and deal with it.

Karadros
09-04-2006, 01:03 AM
I must have missed something, exactly what is it thats wrong with the warrior class this time?

It's shit.

-ter than when we started.

Cassina
09-04-2006, 01:46 AM
I must have missed something, exactly what is it thats wrong with the warrior class this time?

It's shit.

-ter than when we started.

Quoted for the effing truth.

Ansharok
09-04-2006, 01:48 AM
hmmmm. warriors wouldnt suffer from a little fix here and there. by that I mean fix the game mechanics so they work as intended... of course theres not much we can do except ask nicely. but sure, I'll strike, I'm note playing anyway :D

Legendfierce
09-04-2006, 02:04 AM
I actually Rofl'ed how warriors think they are under powerd in pvp i really did.

Ansharok
09-04-2006, 02:36 AM
@ legendfierce. well, it all depends see, we are dependent on certain abilities and one of those that was very useful is Unbridled Wrath. if that isnt working we lose a lot of our rage and by extension a lot of DPS or aggro holding ability depending on spec. now it is fully possible to not have those talents, but they are considered some of the most useful choices available.

of course, warriors still kick ass in pvp, and we're still the best choice for tanking, but we are less effective than we're supposed to be. and that should be fixed. no whining. just wanting what we pay for.

Cassina
09-04-2006, 10:25 AM
I actually Rofl'ed how warriors think they are under powerd in pvp i really did.

Warriors in decent blues like myself don't actually do that much damage, sure I might get a 1k+ crit now and again if I'm lucky but it's not as if an elemental shaman can't do that in one Frostshock/CL crit.
And I should know, Nthw was loaded up with +dmg gear, once had a CL crit for over 5k total to all 3 targets and FS crits of 1200+.

Fillion
10-04-2006, 05:41 AM
I managed to solo a warrior once in pvp.

Not sure if that says anything mind you...

Gwynin
12-04-2006, 11:26 AM
This minor patch they are applying today, does it fix us warriors or ?
Anyone have some infomation ? :)

Cassina
12-04-2006, 11:40 AM
Some crap about Deep Wounds, nothing about UW.

Ashborn
12-04-2006, 02:36 PM
Ubridled wrath isn't broken, it's just not showing in the combat log. Way to jump the gun.

Crash
12-04-2006, 03:13 PM
Ubridled wrath isn't broken, it's just not showing in the combat log. Way to jump the gun.As far as I can tell, this is correct. A few days ago I spent a while punching Jurgan in the face. Sometimes I would hit him for 77 damage and 3 rage, other times I would hit him for 78 damage and 2 rage. And, yes, I do have UW.

You bunch of whiners.

Artemisia
13-04-2006, 08:08 AM
You bunch of whiners.

Well put :)

Artia
16-04-2006, 04:40 PM
Time for some Feral Tanking then. Thank you for letting feral druids have a whole weekend.

Cassina
24-04-2006, 03:16 PM
Ubridled wrath isn't broken, it's just not showing in the combat log. Way to jump the gun.

Unbridled Wrath is not displaying a message in the combat log, nor does it generate rage. – Future Patch

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-bugs&t=103709&p=1&tmp=1#post103709

Jarelan
24-04-2006, 03:27 PM
Pretty much explains the initial jist of this thread :)
Wednesdays patch fixes it now.

Now they need to fix sweeping strikes that they broke trying to fix it last time lol