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Tizzeltoffla
27-02-2006, 11:27 AM
Hello, I have met a bunch of good hunters here on Shadowsong and I am looking for an advice or two. I am planning to respec my hunter for PvP, but I am not sure which way to go. I am 31 in marksmanship at the moment, but am thinking about a 24mm/27sur build instead for a bit more crits. Am I gimping myself by not going 31 in MM? I like barrage and that is why I dont want the 21/30 build that many speaks of over at the hunter forums. Maybe barrage isn't worth it?

Any advices are appreciated, thanks in advance. :)

Gruze
08-03-2006, 03:15 AM
My build. (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000505510305130513300050 510000000)

Sloth
08-03-2006, 07:28 PM
gtfo out gruze , I have exactly the same build :)


(well almost the same , only have 2 points in monster slaying, god knows why)

Bulkathos
08-03-2006, 07:51 PM
Me also, with a few minor tweaks in the early parts of the survival tree :). Would change a few things if I bothered to respec though. Although from testing with all the hunter spreadsheets where you input build and weapons etc. this gives the highest aimed/multi cycle dps. :)

Gruze
09-03-2006, 03:17 AM
haha ok, That is just one of the builds i use. Will respec soon methinks just waiting for some gear to drop (:

Tsarina
09-03-2006, 07:02 AM
this gives the highest aimed/multi cycle dps. :)
That depends on your gear. At some point, 15% agi will be superior. Never tested when, though. Some say 400+, 430+ maybe you even need 550 agi. I don't know, nor do I care (atm). If you have 5.000 agility, it's obvious that 15% agi increase is better than barrage/TSA/Ranged spec.

I have 21MM 30 survival and there is nothing in the other trees tempting enough to make me change that. Even if I do miss barrage. I'd trade hawkeye for barrage any day. (Which is what you got with 20MM before the patch).


For PvP, the "must have"s are (imo): Improved Concussive Shot, Lethal Shots + Mortal Shots, Aimed Shot and Scatter Shot from the MM tree.

Improved Wing Clip, Deterrence, Survivalist from survival. But not having Killer Instinct, Surefooted and Lightning reflexes is missing out big.

After meeting a hunter with Entrapment, I'm actually considering a respec. I've never seen mass CC like it.

Tizzeltoffla
09-03-2006, 07:41 AM
Thanks for your input.

I do agree that entrapment is great and in combination with Frosttrap in the dark tunnels of WSG I noticed how good it was in one of the few games I have played at level 60.

I also read about the 21/30-spec was best when you have high agility, but I don't at the moment, so maybe I should stay high MM-spec.

Thanks.

Mathawas
09-03-2006, 08:53 AM
PVE wise, 30SV 21MM is great if:

a) You have 400 unbuffed agi
b) You can leech TSA

Otherwise you would need around 430/450 agi to make up for TSA, RWS and Barrage.

This can also be alleviated with a 8 pcs GS set bonus, but 30% on Multi = drool

ATM I am going for cookie cuttah 5 31 15 - looks promising with the new duration on IAotH proc from 1.10.

Bulkathos
09-03-2006, 11:49 AM
this gives the highest aimed/multi cycle dps. :)
That depends on your gear. At some point, 15% agi will be superior. Never tested when, though. Some say 400+, 430+ maybe you even need 550 agi. I don't know, nor do I care (atm). If you have 5.000 agility, it's obvious that 15% agi increase is better than barrage/TSA/Ranged spec.

Yeah sorry I meant with my current gear. Anyway, my spec is more of a pve spec than a pvp one....although I Will see how things look when I get my last 2 giantstalker pieces, but I think I'd still keep to more-or-less my current build.

There are 2 hunter spreadsheets I found on the forums :

http://www.talnivarr.com/Lactose/HICS.xls
http://users.pandora.be/praetjeuhn/Hunter.xls

there are a few typos (spelling not formulas luckily ;) ) in each, but the statistics are fun to play with. The second one let's you check other kit our more easily (and you can add kit they left out.)

Once 1.10 comes out though some these formulas will be slightly incorrect.

Narf
09-03-2006, 02:39 PM
Mine (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5005022100501000050512305130500000000 000000000)

And I'm happy with it :)

Gruze
09-03-2006, 09:21 PM
Btw i played some hunter on test server and i cant call it a nerf to worrie about (:

Kerosene
10-03-2006, 02:58 AM
Btw i played some hunter on test server and i cant call it a nerf to worrie about (:

*Sweet sigh of relief*

1) Because it's not a bad nerf
2) Because now I don't have to Q to find out for myself :)

Tyra
18-03-2006, 04:36 PM
Here's my build (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000510510305100003300052 512003150), and I love it... ^^

Tyra
18-03-2006, 04:38 PM
If you have 5.000 agility, it's obvious that 15% agi increase is better than barrage/TSA/Ranged spec.

You might wanna change that to 5,000.

Sloth
29-03-2006, 06:10 PM
this gives the highest aimed/multi cycle dps. :)

I have 21MM 30 survival and there is nothing in the other trees tempting enough to make me change that. Even if I do miss barrage. I'd trade hawkeye for barrage any day. (Which is what you got with 20MM before the patch).


For PvP, the "must have"s are (imo): Improved Concussive Shot, Lethal Shots + Mortal Shots, Aimed Shot and Scatter Shot from the MM tree.

Improved Wing Clip, Deterrence, Survivalist from survival. But not having Killer Instinct, Surefooted and Lightning reflexes is missing out big.

After meeting a hunter with Entrapment, I'm actually considering a respec. I've never seen mass CC like it.

I could never go without barrage/hawk eye it's just too good imo, mainly because I maily do pve and I can pvp just fine without most of the survival tree gadgets.
Combine barrage with the +15% dmg bonus from 8/8 giantstalker and you have yourself a + 30% dmg multishot , together with a good xbow is sweet crits :)

soulshift
29-03-2006, 07:09 PM
this gives the highest aimed/multi cycle dps. :)
That depends on your gear. At some point, 15% agi will be superior. Never tested when, though. Some say 400+, 430+ maybe you even need 550 agi. I don't know, nor do I care (atm). If you have 5.000 agility, it's obvious that 15% agi increase is better than barrage/TSA/Ranged spec.

I have 21MM 30 survival and there is nothing in the other trees tempting enough to make me change that. Even if I do miss barrage. I'd trade hawkeye for barrage any day. (Which is what you got with 20MM before the patch).


For PvP, the "must have"s are (imo): Improved Concussive Shot, Lethal Shots + Mortal Shots, Aimed Shot and Scatter Shot from the MM tree.

Improved Wing Clip, Deterrence, Survivalist from survival. But not having Killer Instinct, Surefooted and Lightning reflexes is missing out big.

After meeting a hunter with Entrapment, I'm actually considering a respec. I've never seen mass CC like it.

Agreeing with the entire post.
Thinking of the same tbh. xD

Caliban
30-03-2006, 11:57 AM
Scatter shot is a complete waste of talent points and no hunter should include it in a build. Ever.

-Cali

Spott
30-03-2006, 12:00 PM
Scatter shot is a complete waste of talent points and no hunter should include it in a build. Ever.

-Cali

hmm. Motivtion for this please?

AnteroVipune
30-03-2006, 12:01 PM
Wise words caliban !

soulshift
30-03-2006, 12:34 PM
Scatter shot is a complete waste of talent points and no hunter should include it in a build. Ever.

-Cali

You just hate it! :P
Scattershot is one of the best talent recieved skills imo.
It saved my butt so often.

Edit: I hate smilies here. :x

Khalam
30-03-2006, 01:15 PM
You just hate it! :P
Scattershot is one of the best talent recieved skills imo.


I believe you shouldn't put in in your build, though. No hunter should.

Moreno
03-06-2006, 08:55 AM
Scattershot is a gr8 talent imo. I couldnt be without myself. It has saved me alot of times. its gr8 for soloing and pvp (and even pve) when mobs get into melee range.
It has even been a gr8 way of maintaining my kiting in BWL on the Razorgore encounter nice and smooth.

anyways this is my spec...

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000150510305100003300051 510303150

AnteroVipune
03-06-2006, 09:32 AM
No no.
Scatter shot is complete waste of talent points!
Trust me on this one. No hunter should have it.

Moreno
03-06-2006, 09:34 AM
And what do you base that fact on? that you dont know how to use this talent yourself perhaps?

AnteroVipune
03-06-2006, 09:40 AM
You calling me a liar? I'll cut you.

Moreno
03-06-2006, 10:43 AM
lol

completely missed that u might have been one of the many victims to the scattershot :P

Vighor
03-06-2006, 11:11 AM
lol

completely missed that u might have been one of the many victims to the scattershot :P

blame it on early day .. no coffee ..

Thrane
03-06-2006, 01:06 PM
You calling me a liar? I'll cut you.

Stab Ante.... you stab now.